Jos& Jordan : its over and out (or maybe not) Pantano!

[steve nielsen]

Originally posted by Mr V
What presentation was that Steve?

Funnily enough, people i know were in the Jordan factory on Wednesday and there weren't any stickers on the car at all.

THIS presentation:

http://f1.racing-live.com/photos/200.../diapo_129.jpg

[steve nielsen]

Originally posted by El_Gibleto
On a points per start ratio De Beafort scored points at a similar rate than "jos the dros", however I'm sure he wasn't involved in assulting people or deliberately making derogatory comments about the teams he drove for.

It would be good to see some of tthe dutch companies who have wasted their money backing Verstappen giving their support to one the the talented young dutch drivers eg Stefan De Groot or Robert Doornbos. Both of whom may developinto drivers genuinely worthy of an F1 seat with proper backing.

Carel Godin de Beafort drove all his races in a factory Porsche car he bought(he had his own team), most of those race where at Zandvoort.

and De Groot and Doornbos??

if they are more talented than Jos than why could't they win a formula 3 title or the Marlboro Masters??

I have the answer: they are less talented, FARR less talented.

and Doornbos does'nt even need the money from the Dutch sponsors, he already has his fathers company to sponsor him
(http://www.doornbos.nl/ , that's why Robert is sponsored by Komatsu)

[steve nielsen]

a Dutch newwspaper reports that one of the conditions in the contract Jordan presented to Jos that he would'nt drive the Belgian GP at Spa, he would be replaced by Bas Leinders for that race.(say what!?!?!?!) and even while Jos would have brought almost twice the sponsormoney he brought at Minardi the salary EJ offered was more than half what paul Stoddart had payed Jos past season.

[Wrex]

And all this coming from reliable sources

1 of 2 things here. This is all made up BS.

Or, someone leaked this (no prizes for guessing). If its the latter, Eddie was very smart not to get mized up with these losers.

[GTRMagic]

Why doesnt the Trust mob tell us the kind of toilet paper Jordan use in their loos... its about the only thing that hasnt magically been 'leaked'

[steve nielsen]

Yes indeed, it was in the paper wich also always has interviews with Michel Peridon.

[Wrex]

Trust would'nt happen to advertise in that paper would they?

[NiceGuyEddie]

Perridon said on Dutch TV that he is counting on Jos getting in during the season when a team is somehow in need af a replacement. He feels Jos would be on top of any replacementslist because he is a good driver (well...) and he has money behind him. He was eager enough to drop some names and thus he dropped McLaren, B*A*R and Jaguar (which he can't pronounce...).

[Peter Mallett]

*Yawn*

[Wrex]

Yeah, McLaren could use the cash

[BootsOntheSide]

McLaren have Wurz. BAR have Davidson. Jaguar have Wirdheim, and chose Wilson above Verstappen last year. None of them would be dumb enough to waste their time with Jos. Any team taking on a pay-driver midseason would be showign itself up to have been poorly budgeted in the first place - in 1994 this was commonplace, but F1 has moved on quite a bit from those days.

The leaks and public slatings that Jos and Trust have been behidn in recent years are a disgrace. Private contract details should surely remain private. These guys are a very ugly throwback, and we're better off without them. Maybe you Jos-devotees can start supporting someone rather more capable.

[FIRE]

Both sides behaved very amateuristic the last few weeks.

[steve nielsen]

Sources at Jordan have indicated to AUTOSPORT that Trust refused to back down on any of its demands, and it was this inflexibility that stymied the deal. The source said: "Their outrageous demands just could not be met."

(autosport.com)

[NiceGuyEddie]

Originally posted by FIRE
Both sides behaved very amateuristic the last few weeks.

Really? What could you blame on Jordan? It was Perridon who blurted out to the press that a deal was about done giving everyone the impression Jos was in. The reality was that Eddie was not at all done with driver-shopping. Verstappen & Co. simply underestimated Jordan's financial situation. They came in thinking Jordan was obliged to meet their demands because Jordan couldn't do anything than accept the cash. If that was the case, Verstappen & Co. would indeed have a strong position in the negotiations, a position that would justify high demands. The position Verstappen & Co. were in turned out to be not as strong as they'd hoped. They made the biggest mistake by maintaining their additude as though it was a strong position, and simply overestimated themselves where they underestimated Jordan. At the end, it turns out not Verstappen & Co but Eddie Jordan is calling the shots, and Eddie is offering next to nothing, implying that he doesnt need Trust nor Jos as bad as Verstappen needs Jordan. And that's the end of that.

On Dutch TV Perridon put it all down to Rothengatter and Eddie Jordan not getting along on the personal side. How ludicrous is it to imply that a deal fells through for that sole reason?

[bosch!]

Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
At the end, it turns out not Verstappen & Co but Eddie Jordan is calling the shots, and Eddie is offering next to nothing, implying that he doesnt need Trust nor Jos as bad as Verstappen needs Jordan. And that's the end of that.

Been saying this all along. There was a deal to be done if EJ needed the money that badly but he doesnt, which logically (should) leave us to believe that he has other offers on the table from B&H or another driver that will bring equivelent funds.

Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
And that's the end of that.

Yer reckon? I think that Bridget is determined to have the last word on this subject

[Don K]

Originally posted by steve nielsen
a Dutch newwspaper reports that one of the conditions in the contract Jordan presented to Jos that he would'nt drive the Belgian GP at Spa, he would be replaced by Bas Leinders for that race.(say what!?!?!?!) and even while Jos would have brought almost twice the sponsormoney he brought at Minardi the salary EJ offered was more than half what paul Stoddart had payed Jos past season.

:confused: Are you saying that Jordan should have offered Verstappen less than half his Minardi salary? :confused:

[ASCII Man]

Does this mean that Bas Leinders is going to race at Spa??

[steve nielsen]

Originally posted by Don K
:confused: Are you saying that Jordan should have offered Verstappen less than half his Minardi salary? :confused:

oops, typo

[FIRE]

Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
Really? What could you blame on Jordan?

If he don't needs Trust's money and doesn't want Jos why still negotiating, be a man and say: No I don't want your money and driver.

On Dutch TV Perridon put it all down to Rothengatter and Eddie Jordan not getting along on the personal side. How ludicrous is it to imply that a deal fells through for that sole reason?

Perridon got a couple of months to get a deal, but he couldn't, so he must not blame Rothengatter for the debacle.

Maybe the positive aspect of the end of Verstappen's F1 career is that it leaves space for other Dutch talents like v/d Garde, Meijer and Albers to become the next Dutch F1 driver.

[NiceGuyEddie]

Originally posted by FIRE
[B]If he don't needs Trust's money and doesn't want Jos why still negotiating, be a man and say: No I don't want your money and driver.

Eddie did want Trusts money, but under his terms. They couldn't come to an agreement, so no deal. Whats wrong with that?

[Knowlesy]

Originally posted by ASCII Man
Does this mean that Bas Leinders is going to race at Spa??

Let's hope, for his own safety, he isn't.

[Mekola]

Originally posted by Madmonk85 at Motorsport.com forums
formula-3000.net and BBC radio five are reporting Pantano could do a split season between F3000 with Super Nova (the Jordan Jr team), and F1 with Jordan... The conflicting races would be given to Firman or McNish to keep Benson and Hedges happy...

Originally posted by ASCII Man
(after Verstappen dropping Jordan news) Does this mean that Bas Leinders is going to race at Spa??

...or Timo Glock in German races to make probable Deutsche sponsors happy.

It seems that Eddie Jordan, in a cash-strapped team, could manage to have more than two drivers racing in his team this year. Heidfeld can remain as a lead driver, and the second car could be given to a driver (most probably Giorgio Pantano) that could get out of the seat in any case of "renting" of the second car on favour of a pay-(or sponsor-compatible)-drivers. Timo Glock is the favourite to be the third Jordan driver.

Indeed, website Italiaracing confirmed that Pantano will be the second Jordan F1 driver, and he will test the car next Monday at Jerez... But I didn't see echo of this new on another website.

I hope that Pantano could manage to race an entire (or almost-entire) season in F1 for Jordan this season (Why he will continue in F3000???).

[Mr V]

Originally posted by NiceGuyEddie
He was eager enough to drop some names and thus he dropped McLaren, B*A*R and Jaguar (which he can't pronounce...).

Hehehe, there is no way that this will happen with any of the above mentioned teams.

The fella in charge of Trust is proberbly looking to save his (company's) money whilst putting a good spin on things.

[GTRMagic]

Wasnt one of Jordan's ideas for this year to run with a local livery for each race? Does that mean 18 different drivers for the 2nd Jordan??? (Yes I know the regulations preclude this, but you just never know...)

[Bridget Stone]

Originally posted by bosch!
I think that Bridget is determined to have the last word on this subject

AMEN !! (which is Latin for: So be it !)

Lets look to the future now and hope that Jordan have a good year keeping pace with the topteams and for the Dutch f-1 fans that maybe Jos or another driver gets a chance to step in somehow/somewhere

love, bridget