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Old Yesterday, 08:33 (Ref:3793052)   #1336
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Conspiracy as in 9/11 didn't happen? Or 7/7 was an inside job?

It could just be that identical set ups only really, as in REALLY give identical results with near identical driving styles and that we know they both do not have
That doesn't apply when each driver has tried both cars though and reported that each one behaves differently though.

Driving style would only come into it if they set both cars up the same way and each driver stuck to the same car.
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Old Yesterday, 09:05 (Ref:3793056)   #1337
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Remember there was a problem with the differential that was only discovered and fixed mid season, so it couldn't have been that.

It seemed to me every time a problem was found and fixed, and the results didn't pick up a new one was found. Chassis, front sub-frame and diff ramps.
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Old Yesterday, 09:21 (Ref:3793062)   #1338
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Remember there was a problem with the differential that was only discovered and fixed mid season, so it couldn't have been that.

It seemed to me every time a problem was found and fixed, and the results didn't pick up a new one was found. Chassis, front sub-frame and diff ramps.
The diff issue was found just before Knockhill, funnily enough. A track that inherently suits cars with enhanced traction (RWD in this era, Quattro in the other). Plato wins, claims gremlin is solved. Then for Silverstone and Brands is off the pace again. Weird, that.
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Old Yesterday, 14:30 (Ref:3793108)   #1339
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Yes it's funny how he seemed to find some of that old magic again at Knockhill and Rockingham after the diff was sorted, although he was helped a bit in winning at Knockhill by being last man across the line in quali and thus getting pole. Then he seemed unable to support Ash at Silverstone and Brands
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So what's the conspiracy theorists suggestions for why Plato and Sutton would both say that the identically setup cars behaved totally differently from each other at the test then?
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That doesn't apply when each driver has tried both cars though and reported that each one behaves differently though.

Driving style would only come into it if they set both cars up the same way and each driver stuck to the same car.
I'm thinking of a story I remember from Moto GP, so it's kind of off-topic, but IIRC one of the things that Casey Stoner said about the Ducati during his time there was that you could put an identical set-up on two different chassis and they'd behave diffierently, the theory was that there was an inconsistency in the manufacture of the frames.

Maybe somewhere between the repaired chassis damage from Brands, the diff, the subframe, and whatever was going on in JP's head, there was some gremlin that accounts for what Plato and Sutton said about the car- and maybe Sutton, with less experience of the Scooby, and therefore less 'baggage' about how it had handled in '16, found it easier to adapt when he tested JP's car?
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So, about that 2018 season...
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Hi guys, long time reader, but refrained from posting until now........

BMR, very interesting, one TBL sold already (before the November deadline), so maximum of 3 cars. Biggest issue being that unless Sutton & Plato (if he does indeed sign as expected) have strong legs and peddle Flintstone style, how they power the cars cold be interesting. Mountune haven't been paid so aren't planning on supplying them this year, so they either need a new engine tuner or will have to bolt a TOCA unit in! The latter however will do away with one of the supposed advantages of the boxer engine.

Maybe JP's promised to bring money to pay the engine bill, so him and Warren have kissed and made up!?!

Might as well come in with a BANG!
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Hi guys, long time reader, but refrained from posting until now........

BMR, very interesting, one TBL sold already (before the November deadline), so maximum of 3 cars. Biggest issue being that unless Sutton & Plato (if he does indeed sign as expected) have strong legs and peddle Flintstone style, how they power the cars cold be interesting. Mountune haven't been paid so aren't planning on supplying them this year, so they either need a new engine tuner or will have to bolt a TOCA unit in! The latter however will do away with one of the supposed advantages of the boxer engine.

Maybe JP's promised to bring money to pay the engine bill, so him and Warren have kissed and made up!?!

Might as well come in with a BANG!
Wow! Rumours from the farm have long suggested finances were properly screwed, will the Flintstone power unit meet regs? How will Mr Gow turn the boost down - swap trainers for pit boots?

The Boxer advantage was supposedly negated by the addition of weight to raise the centre of gravity - last years pre-season grumbles - so the TOCA unit may be no bad thing. Although they don't come free in boxes of cereal either, so $$$ will have to come from somewhere.

Wonder who has the TBL - I wonder if it and the Handy Toyota have become a pair in Sandbach.
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Wow! Rumours from the farm have long suggested finances were properly screwed, will the Flintstone power unit meet regs? How will Mr Gow turn the boost down - swap trainers for pit boots?

The Boxer advantage was supposedly negated by the addition of weight to raise the centre of gravity - last years pre-season grumbles - so the TOCA unit may be no bad thing. Although they don't come free in boxes of cereal either, so $$$ will have to come from somewhere.

Wonder who has the TBL - I wonder if it and the Handy Toyota have become a pair in Sandbach.
I don't know how much money (if any) Subaru are putting into this effort, but they're always making great play of their boxer engines. I can't see them (if they are financially involved) accepting the team runnung a straight four TOCA engine.
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I don't know how much money (if any) Subaru are putting into this effort, but they're always making great play of their boxer engines. I can't see them (if they are financially involved) accepting the team runnung a straight four TOCA engine.
They could take the boxer engines to Swindon
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They could take the boxer engines to Swindon
I've heard that rumour as well, but would expect Swindon to want paying for the engines, so wouldn't be so keen knowing that Mountune are still owed from last season... Let's face it, the engine were clearly very strong in the Subaru's last year.
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Take the prize for one of the most interesting first posts ever!

Interesting that the reigning champion may not have an engine for this season, with all the knock on implications for testing etc, even if he does get one. Wonder if Mr Gow will get involved?
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