Should Skaife, Grech be fined??

[Rulekeeper]

Having seen, read and heard what these two Cowboys have had to say since their ignorance of safety, should they be fined, lose points or be disqualified from the Bathurst result. I personaly favour the second option. Which option do you consider to be appropriate for their distaste of the rules.

[Dazz]

To accuse Skaife and HRT of thinking that the rules do not apply to him, means that you hold the same opinion of FPR, or in fact that FPR are even worse when it comes to this matter?

In the instance at Oran Park Besnards rear door was coming open the full amount, ie almost at 90 degrees, so the best part of a metre. And in that instance, they were already in the pits for a compulsory pit stop for tyres or fuel, and were about to let the car back out onto the track, knowing the door was opening all the way, until the pit lane official stopped them and told them to repair it before the car would be let back out onto the track.

Now they were already in the pits, were not in a position to win the race, and made absolutely no effort off their own back to rectify the situation, even though the car was already in the pits.

To me that is a much greater showing of arrogance and disregard for the rules by FPR than what Skaife did.

So lets not try to turn this into a anti HRT/Skaife thing as any team or driver in a race winning position would do the same thing. And to say that only one team in the whole race would do such a thing is total rubbish.

I have no problem with them bringing in Skaife to fix the door as it could have been a concern, althout it is unlikely. However the decision should have been made quicker without the added pressure from a rival team.

If Race Control and the Race Director cannot make these decisions without outside pressure then the system needs to be looked at in greater detail.

[Mark Webber]

So DAZZ
What your are saying is that there is one
rule for HRT and another rule for the rest of the feild. As BRUCE ELLERY said on the telecast if it was a Ford the car would have being penalised 10 laps earlier.
This HRT-HOLDEN running the V8's has being going on to bloody long & if Aussie Bernie (TC) does not put a stop to it it will ruin this class of racing.

[protoge]

All of this anti Skaife/HRT is gettin beyond a joke. How can you say CAMS/AVESCO favour HRT? this isnt the first penalty handed out to them and certainly not the first handed out to a holden team. It happens all the time, anyone with half a brain will see that it does. Saying "if it was a Ford the car would have being penalised 10 laps earlier" is showing incredible stupidity and narrow mindedness. As Dazz said, any team in such a race winning position would do the same thing - just cos they didnt pit doesnt mean theyre in league with CAMS, it means they didnt consier it was a safety issue and were pushing hard (as racing teams often do) to win the biggest race of the year. If the door opened all the way then yes, it would have been, but it would have opened a max of 20cm and was still held on securely. I'm not making a call on wether this was the right thing to do, but saying HRT knew they would not be penalised is nonsense. Never mind all these conspiracies about HRT "running" v8 supercar, its more plausible that someone in CAMS wants a Ford to win the championship, so handed the penalty to Skaife. Pity they didnt find anything to penalise Murphy for (again. 5mins, shall i say more about that one?). All this HRT/Holden being favoured by CAMS talk is nothing but jealousy, as it has been a Holden that's won Bathurst and the championship for the last 5 years. People just cant accept this and need a means for an excuse. Guys, live with it and accept that HRT are an outstanding team with an outstanding driver. They have done what SBR are doing this year, so does this mean SBR/Ford are now running V8 Supercar? I think not. Good luck to em - may the best team win, but cut this Holden conspiracy bulls**t out.

[Dazz]

Originally posted by Mark Webber
So DAZZ
What your are saying is that there is one
rule for HRT and another rule for the rest of the feild. As BRUCE ELLERY said on the telecast if it was a Ford the car would have being penalised 10 laps earlier.
This HRT-HOLDEN running the V8's has being going on to bloody long & if Aussie Bernie (TC) does not put a stop to it it will ruin this class of racing.

I thought I was saying that if HRT should be fined so should FPV? But obviously you know what I'm thinking better then me!

If you honestly believe what you are saying about HRT running the V8's, you need to give yourself an uppercut my friend.

If tho whole ownership saga doesn't prove that HRT have to do as they are told then nothing will.

[Mattracer]

Originally posted by Mark Webber
So DAZZ
As BRUCE ELLERY said on the telecast if it was a Ford the car would have being penalised 10 laps earlier.

Not quite.

He actually said that if it was us (meaning the Super Cheap team), they would have been in several laps earlier to fix the problem, I would presume voluntarily knowing what the likely outcome would have been if they had stayed out.

Perhaps HRT rolled the dice like at Sandown and it didn't work out. Good thing Sandown was about 20 laps shorter than it should have been.

[Captain]

Mattracer, even though Bruce Ellery may not have said it, I think his inference was that they would have been black flagged straight away.

[GTRMagic]

Nah, it was the new patented "WideLoad Commodore" option, Skaifey pushes buttons on the dash, and the back door opens up and stops other cars from passing him

A new technical development they have been working on, while not having to work on the Auroras

[Hobo high]

I love what happened to skaife and it's about time.Fines don't bother HRT AND THE RAIN LIGHT at sandown was probaly the last straw for THE OFFICALS. Well done race control and it's about time too

[Mattracer]

Yep it's about time, timING that is.

Anyway, at Sandown things worked out, at Bathurst they didn't.

[pete55]

There reported words describing officials in the print media is more of a concern. That's where the inference of Skaife and Co's thinking they are the 'be all to end all'comes from. I know from reading these reports it gives me that impression.

[revhead_enigma]

Originally posted by Mattracer
Not quite.

He actually said that if it was us (meaning the Super Cheap team), they would have been in several laps earlier to fix the problem, I would presume voluntarily knowing what the likely outcome would have been if they had stayed out.

Perhaps HRT rolled the dice like at Sandown and it didn't work out. Good thing Sandown was about 20 laps shorter than it should have been.

I bet if any team were in the same position as Skaife was in the biggest race of the year, I am quite sure they would have stayed out there with the door the way it was. It's alright to say we would have come in several laps earlier to fix but I bet if the shoe was on their foot they would have stayed out there.

[Mattracer]

Well yes, but the whole thing really got started after FPR protested the legality of the car under the rules. Most teams would stay out as long as they could dare to do so, and for a while it looked as though nothing would happen until something did happen.

[Wizzby]

I promised myself I wouldn't say anything more about this but I will.....can't help myself

Any team that is saying they would have pitted the car themselves is lying! I'd hate to think how many cars we've seen out there with damage that hasn't been in the best interest of safety and no one has brought them in, even if they're spilling oil all over the track they still stay out there.

My position is that it always warranted a black flag, (and that's coming from one of the biggest Skaifey fans on the planet) and had it been given immediately it would have been fine. But taking 15 laps to think about is a joke! If they need that long to think the officials should think about the big grass paddocks out the back to graze in. This isn't a little amatuerish racing series anymore, it's about time the officials grew with the sport. Rant over...

[Dave HRT Moy]

Dribbly,

It must really hurt seeing Holden kick your blue oval buddies arse yet again.

No Bathurst titles this century and only two in the entire history of V8 Supercars....

Same down force, same suspension, everything equel except the brand of car and the skills of the driver and team.

I guess Ford simply aren't as good as Holden, just like I always said.

Ooohhh, that must hurt real bad......

[Dazz]

Gee that was a worthwhile addition to the discussion.

So what happens when Ford takes the title this year, what does that say about Holden?

[GTRMagic]

Looking at the pointscores, an SBR 1-2 isnt totally impossible either.... but I would say a Murf/Skaife/Ambrose battle for the win is more likely

[Captain]

Dazz, I think Dave was only talking about Bathurst this time, it is one of only a couple of things that Holden have won this year.

[Dave HRT Moy]

Originally posted by Captain
Dazz, I think Dave was only talking about Bathurst this time, it is one of only a couple of things that Holden have won this year.

Yeah, but it'll do thanks "Capan".

Ask any driver would they prefer a Bathurst win or Touring car title and almost all real racers will say Bathurst.

Almost everyone remembers Brocky for his 9 Bathurst wins, not his 3 touring car titles....

But, when you're sitting in the pits with worn out tyres, I suppose you can make yourself feel a bit better by thinking about the touring car title.

If Marcus gets it, then he only has 4 to go to talk the talk with Skaifey. Oh and let's not even mention "Bathurst wins" to young Marcus....

[Rulekeeeper]

What was better than Murphy winning?
Skaife losing, and being beaten by Seton

[Captain]

Originally posted by Dave HRT Moy
Yeah, but it'll do thanks "Capan".

Ask any driver would they prefer a Bathurst win or Touring car title and almost all real racers will say Bathurst.

Dave, have I missed something? Didn't Mark Skaife recently indicate he would prefer a title to a Bathurst win. I think he would be described as a real racer. Have I got him mixed up with someone else, I am sure one of the drivers said it recently.

[GTRMagic]

Seto should have sold out to HRT a couple of years ago when he had the chance... would likely have been a Bathurst winner by now

[Rulekeeeper]

Originally posted by GTRMagic
Seto should have sold out to HRT a couple of years ago when he had the chance... would likely have been a Bathurst winner by now

Seto is one of the old loyal guard. No Holdens for him.

[moffman]

Too right Tricky,too right.How long until you get Moy punted?

[TheMan]

Dave you say Marcos has only got four titles to go to talk the talk with Skaife. Well let me ask you how long Skaife has been racing and how long Marcus has? Skaife feels threatened by Marcus both on and off the track and he isnt his normal chirpy upbeat self when Marcus is around. Mentally Marcus has already won the war. Skaife has some work to do to turn this around both on and off the track. Skaife is a great champion, but his time at the reign has come. Its time for the new breed. Would be interesting to see how good Toddler would be if he had the same gear as Skaife. I heard him say at Bathurst that the car was awesome and he wished he had the same car all year.