Brabham BT28-29-30-35-36

[HENDERZSON]

Thanks Jeremy for the Iain McClaren/MRE ad ref.
Does anyone know about BT36-10 history in 1974. My understanding was that Nick Overall raced BT36-10 in FA only in 1975.

Other BT36 info. I did see BT36-1 several times in 1977. Once with FVC in F/Libre, and once with FVA at Thruxton Aug 77, entered in G8 event as F2 car. Car had been bought from Bob Howlings in late 76.

Ref. BT35's. I met Peter Kaye at several events, he had a BT35X/FVA in 1977 and won the UK 1.6L hillclimb championship that year. Not sure on the chassis number.

Ian

[David McKinney]

Who had BT36-1 in 1977 Ian?

Peter Kaye's car was BT35X/1

[Bryan Miller]

Roger and Ian.

Mike Gue's trading name in U.K. at least at the time we are talking about was Road and Track.
Found it yesterday whilst trolling.
Roger , I don't really need his contact in the U.S. thanks anyway.

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

Ian.

If you can bear with it for a while , I have 9 foolscap pages of BT30/5/6 references up to the end of 1975.
At the moment I am trying to make some sense of it , before I post , and then I will be asking some serious questions of our learned English contributors , as some may ring bells , that don't ring in OZ.

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

Question time people.

BT35 , Mike Hawley in 1971 , so presume new to him.
Still retained at 4-1-73. now called BT35 FVA.
By 5-4-1973 has been purchased by Tony Harrison, actually happened late March 1973, Called a BT35 Hart FVA.
At 28-6-1973 , reported in BT30 ex. Spencer Elton.
At 7-3-1974 , David Render , ""in ex Tony Griffiths Brabham ""
At 11-4-1974 , Render now has two cars , which he runs at least at one sprint side by side.
They are called as BT29X , and BT35.
At 9-5-1974 called as ex. Hawley BT29 {X} , and ex Tony Harrison BT35.
At 6-3-1975 D. Render BT29, and 24-4-1975 BT35 BDA .
At 1-5-1975 , still with BT35.
At Nov. 1975 still has at least BT35.


Also any clues on a London { I think } driver running a BT30 in sprints etc. by the name of Peter Bull , this is mid. 1974.

Also any clues on BT30 ex. Felthams Glassworks , for sale July to at least Nov.1975.

Go to it. Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

I have blundered , in between the line Called a BT35 Hart FVA , and AT 28-6-1973 , should be statedDavid Render reported in EX Spencer Elton.BT30.

Sorry Bryan.

[Jeremy Jackson]

Bryan,

If you can bear with me a few weeks, I did note Hawley's chassis back in 1972, but the information is 100 miles or so distant, and health issues are delaying me somewhat.

From memory (!), it's a single digit chassis no. - before reading this wonderful thread, I would have said BT35-8, but obviously not.

[Bryan Miller]

Jeremy.

No problem, I wasn't even thinking in regard to ch.no. at the moment, just the trails and how many cars Dave Render had, from what I have read it could be two or three.
Depends whether the 29X is being called a 30 sometimes and a 29x the next , or if we are talking two sep. idents, apart from the 35.

Regards Bryan.

[HENDERZSON]

Hi Bryan, David
I do not recall the name of the owner/driver for the BT36-1 in 77 in the F/Libre UK events.

I was interested in the Felthams Glassworks BT30 Nov 75 ad ref. A friend of mine in UK said that he had seen a BT36 very similar to mine (#10) being run in F/Libre by the Felthams Glassworks in the 73/74 timeframe. I am wondering if that could have been BT36-10 ownership in 1974.
Ian

[Bryan Miller]

Am going to get some of the easier cars out of the way,at least up to the end of 1976 , as by then the trails are just about dead. Not in any order.

BT35X-2 ,Tony Griffiths as a Hillclimb specialty car 5.0 Litre Repco , used all through 1971 and 1972.

To John Cussins , A/S 4-1-1973 , p.32.
To John Cussins and Malcolm Dungworth A/S 18-4-1974.
14-nov.1974 p.57 Cussins advertises car for sale.
To Malcolm Dungworth 13-3-1975, {Cussins gets Chevron B32}
18-3-1976 , Dungworth still using car , and still 24-6-1976 A/S p.58.
Advertised by M. Dungworth [ Waring and Gillow Racing }
A/S. sept. 23 1976 , p.54.

Now as advised in Japan , Leaf Garage.

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

BT35X-1 , ??? not confirmed unlike previous.

The only other I am able to find is A/S. with a report from a Rufforth meeting 26-4-1973 p.41 , that George Dixon has purchased the ex. Nick Williamson/ Iain McLaren BT35X , and is fitting car with a BRM Twin-cam.

Nothing further, but many adverts could be this car as time goes by, but no definate trail.

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

BT30-3 , Jim Charnock , using car all the way up to 2-10-1975 , A/S . p.56.
Still leaves big time gap up untill Chris Mann is reported with car 1983.

Very interesting advert. by Bob Howlings/Cheshire Sports Cars A/S. 26-8-1976 , and 7-10-1976 , BT30 FVA for sale , unused for the last 4 years.

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

BT36-10 , ex Wingfield/ Nicoby Racing , small update.

For sale by Wingfield and called as BT36-10 ,25-1-1973, A/S. p.46.
For sale Wingfield BT36 A/S. 15-2-1973 , all modifications , streamlined nose etc.

At Doune , Scotland 10-5-1973 A/S. p. 48.
At Doune again , and report ''Iain Mclaren very happy in his ex. Wingfield BT36.
8TH. in the leaders runs, A/S. 21-6-1973.

IIRC he was in to a Rondel M1 for 1974 , I can't find any report of Overall in car , again quite a few adverts. that could be car , but nothing definate.

Bryan.

[David McKinney]

No, I have nothing on Overall in this car in 1975 either, though he did race the ex-Salisbury BT35 about ten years later.

BT35X/1 Robert Sunderland and Peter Kaye 1974-75, then apparently Kaye alone for the next two years

BT35X/2 Malcolm Dungworth 1977, Terry Smith 1978

[Bryan Miller]

David .

Thank you , I have Sunderland and Kaye quite a few times in a BT35X , however I wasn't prepared to call out an entity , as I had no def. report of ex. Dixon.

So the advert. by Dungworth didn't work , and he gets to keep it a bit longer.

Bryan.

[Bryan Miller]

David Renders two cars , BT29X/30 and BT35 .

I made a hash of it last time , so I wished to get them both sorted.

BT29X[Y]/BT30 . I don't believe anybody has yet come up with a ch.no. for this yet.If so I've missed it.

New to Tony Griffiths as a FB with an FVC , reported written off at Silverstone and rec'd a BT30 [ chassis , whole car ???? }.
Retained into at least mid 1970.
To Spencer Elton 18-2-1971 , and reported fitting BDA ,p.4.
T o David Render , reported in car A/S. 28-6-1973 , as ex Elton. p.47.
Render reported in ex Griffiths Brabham , A/S. 7-3-1974 p49.
Render now reported in BT29X, a/s. 11-4-1974.
Confusion reigns in A/S . as Render reported in ex. Hawley BT29 .
Render still has car 6-3-1975.A/S. p.50.
By 15-4-1976 a/s. P.50 , Render has obtained JPS Type 76 , but note states still has his two Brabhams, but intends to sell his BT29.
Advert for sale BT29X , which states car is hillclimb version of BT30. A/S. 6-5-1976 p.65.
At 16-9-1976, still retains BT29X.

BT35.

1971 , Mike Hawley , fitted with a Twin-cam.
1972 , Fitted with a Cosworth FVA. A/S . 4-1-1973.
1973 , To Tony Harrison, reported as ex Hawley BT35 FVA , late March , 1973.
1974 , Render reported in ex. Tony Harrison BT35.a/s. 9-5-1974 , P.56.
1975 , Render still with car A/S. 6-3-1975, p.50.
1975 , car at least now with a BDA .
1976 , car now fitted with 2.2 litre BDA , 18-3-1976 a/s .p.49.
Now in JPS type 76 but retains both Brabhams.

Bryan.

[allenbrown]

Originally posted by Bryan Miller
Jeremy.

No problem, I wasn't even thinking in regard to ch.no. at the moment, just the trails and how many cars Dave Render had, from what I have read it could be two or three.
Depends whether the 29X is being called a 30 sometimes and a 29x the next , or if we are talking two sep. idents, apart from the 35.

Regards Bryan.

Much as I love this thread, it's not one I can help much. However, I did find this in my notes on the British Sprint Championship and offer it in case you haven't already spotted it:

David Render used a BT29X at the Curborough round 20 April 1974 (Autosport 25 Apr 1974 p48) and this was later said to be ex-Hawley (AS 9 May 1974 p53). At the South Cerney round 28 April 1974 (AS 9 May 1974 p56), he used an ex-Tony Harrison 1.6-litre BT35-Hart BDA.

Allen

[allenbrown]

That will teach me to refresh before posting!

[Andrew Fellowes]

Here is one of the 2 that I have been waiting for, "Please Explain?" as a certain Queensland politician once said.

(For those outside OZ an interviewer used a long word that was way beyond one of our politicians.)

Bryan if you have the answer I would prefer an explanation that does not lead to you & I being sued for defamation!!!!!
Andrew


via email this morning from France;
"Christian Geoffroy Have BT36-20

Bests Regards
Remy Née"

-Remy is a very quick driver in a BT28 and races in the Euro F2 as does Christian.

[Bryan Miller]

Andrew.

Sooner or later this sort of thing was going to emerge.

First and only guess is, somebody can't read.

Bill Gowdy had in 1974 BT30-20 , and in the Irish F/Atlantic thread , Richard Young advised Gowdy believed his car was in France.
David McKinney advised earlier in this thread that Michael Baudoin had BT30-20 in France about 10 years ago , perhaps it is BT30-20 , and not 36-20, some of the ch.pl. have had a hard time.

Also , while not a direct answer , Formula 1 Register [ F1R ] reports at Estoril 21-10-1973 that Fina enter Rolf Stommelen in BT30-36 , and he was on the grid and finished 3rd. on the day. Stommelen used BT30-25 in 1970 and BT36-4 in 1971 , but BT30-36 is out of left field.

Can you enquire of Remy Nee the history of the car.????

Bryan.

[Andrew Fellowes]

David (McKinney) any chance Christian Geoffroy was at Zolder when you spoke to Bo or that you have seen his car since? -Andrew

Bryan, if David can't add to this one I will contact Remy again in a couple of days.

[Bryan Miller]

BT36's only.

To try to advance these cars , as there is less of them than BT30's, and they should therefore be easier !!!

BT36-1 , current Andrew Fellowes / Australia.

Rondel/ Schenken ,1971 including Brasil end of year.
For sale Rondel 9-12-1971 A/S.
To Tate of Leeds , via Bob Howlings and leased ??to Graham Hill for early 1972 F2 2.0 Litre , until Hills BT38 del.
Through Malcolm Wayne /Brabham Racing Services , Bob Howlings [ dealer ] and apparently to Arthur Moore , reported in ex. Rondel/Howlings BT36 A/S. 21-6-1973.
Problems ?? No def. ch.no. report for Moore only ex Howlings , so could be ch.no.-2 or -9.
-2 unlikely , -9 more likely of the two.

BT36-2, Current Leif Norberg / Sweeden.
Rondel , for Graham Hill and Bob Wollek , Hill in Brasil in late 1971, for sale Rondel 9-12-1971, Autosport report Hills car sold to ''a gentleman in Japan ''.
Is this poss. a gentleman in S.E.Asia by the name of John Macdonald , who certainly had what appears to be an ex. Rondel car for Macau Nov.1972.
Equally it may have gone to Japan to Kuniomu Nagamatsu , F1R report -3-5-1973 for Bellco Racing with a Mitsbishi eng.
If it is Macdonald , what did he do with car.??? sell or retain???
If Nagamatsu , car to one of the other teams ,e.g Kairo. ??

BT36-3 , current with Willy Markwalder in Switzerland.
1971 , Bernt Terbeck , who used car all through 1971 and retained into 1972 until crash at Hockenheim 16-4-1972 , accident involving New Zealand Driver Bert Hawthorne [ fatal ] , Autosport report Terbecks car badly damaged in accident. No furthur period reports of this chassis no.
What happened to car ?? returned to factory for rebuild ??
repaired in Europe , sold as is ????

BT36-4 , Current Sid Hoole U.K.

New to Roland Binder and used all through 1971 , 1972 and into 1973 until last appearance at Misano 22-7-1973.
No furthur period reports.

BT36-5 , current ??? poss. report in Paris circa 1990 for sale.

New for Peter Westbury 1971 and retained into early 1972 and last used by Westbury at Thruxton F2 rd. 3-4-1972 , into U.K. hillclimbs with Nick Koob , thence to Chris Choat , reported in ex. Westbury car 28-3-1974 p.35.
Still with car at Aintree 13-6-1974 p.29.
Still with car 26-9-1974 .
No advert. by Choat found by me , 1975 Choat now reported at least twice in a BT35 , poss. mix-up ????
Poss. to John ? Hardesty .

BT36-6 , Now ??poss. in France , or -7 .
Automobile Club Argentina for Carlos Reutemann F2 series in 1971 and car in Brasil , did car return to U.K. ??unlikely , given report in Autosport that the 2 x BT30's and the 2 x BT36's were to be used in a race driving school in Argentina , along with 9 x FVA's to service them.
One car reported to be ch. -6 , but ex Ruesch in France.

BT36-7 , same scenario as BT36-6 , except Carlos Ruesch as driver.
At least one BT 36 resides in the Museum in Argentina 2003.

BT36-8 , Current unknown .

New to Ireland for Archie Phillips 1971 and 1972.
1973 to Eddie Regan , Autosport 1-2-1973 p.6.
retained untill Bob Leckie reported as having just acquired the ex. Eddie Regan BT36 Autosport 31-5-1973 p.31.
A car for sale by Leckie but called a BT35 Autosport 29-8-1974 , p60.
In the meantime BT36-8 poss. to Phil Barak 14-3-1974 , and this car retained , and for sale 31-10-1974 p.55.
No further def. details , but many advert. could be this car. Seems to have gone to ground.

BT36-9 , Current unknown.
Rondel for Bob Wollek 1971 after sharing Hills car earlier in season , first record of appearance Rouen , 27-6-1971 , for sale at 9-12-1971 , and sold to Uniacke Chemicals/Richard Scott for F2 at Mallory Park 12-3-1972 , could be the car to Arthur Moore , also equally could have gone to Japan , or more likely to John Macdonald for Macau Nov.1972. Current Ian Henderson ,Tucson Arisona since late 1976 .

BT36-10 , New for John Wingfield , 1971 , 1972 Nicoby Racing for Wingfield , for sale by Wingfield 15-2-1973 , with streamlined nose and updates etc.
To Iain McLaren by 10-5-1973 and used for rest of hillclimb season , no definate report of sale and many adverts. could be car , via Mike Gue/Road and Track [ dealer ] to current.

BT36-11 , curent reported as Andy Newall U.K.

New to Silvio Moser 1971/Marlboro Racing at Imola 25-7-1971.In 1972 finally takes delivery of new BT38 after some no shows .
Very likely candidate for car for sale by MRE 14-9-1972 , reported as very little use by continental driver.
No more known.

BT36-12 , current unknown.

New to Noritake Takahara and retained into 11-11-1973 , before taking del. of new March 742 for 1974.
Poss. to Kawaguchi , for 1974, by 1975 F1R report BT36-12 with Asoaka .
No further known.

Plenty of owners with unidentifyable cars during period 1973-1976 , can anybody put chassis to any of these names.

Ted Payne BT36 at Cadwell Park August 1974, and Croft March 1975.
BT36 BDA for sale , Newcastle on Tyne 1850 cc, April 1975.
BT36 ex. Rondel , less eng. only Oct. 1975 , Cheshire Sports Cars, and again into Jan. 1976.
BT36 for sale as a rolling chassis for about 4 months in East Horsley , owner finally stating previous cheque ''rubber ''.
Bob Howlings own car after he retires BT36 FVC , and ex Rondel.April 1976.
Finally BT36, rolling chassis , good order , 600.00 pds. Godalming ph.no.

Bryan , pardon the mistakes I am sure to have made.

[Andrew Fellowes]

'nother one. Quote,
BT36X Mich McDowel Kun hill climb repco 5.0 lt motor
Ole Sommer Museum

www.hms.dk/formel/register.htm

Andrew

[David McKinney]

Originally posted by Andrew Fellowes
David (McKinney) any chance Christian Geoffroy was at Zolder when you spoke to Bo or that you have seen his car since?.

Yes, Geoffroy and his car were at that Zolder. I noted the number but didn't speak to the man. I haven't seen man or beast since.

[Bryan Miller]

The computer has made a few mistakes.

1 , it merged Ian Henderson into the bottom of BT36-9.
2 , totally ignored the item reported by Chris Townsend in regard to the fact that an ex Rondell BT36 was in the U.S.A circa 1973.
3 , Totally forgot to print out BT36X , new as hillclimb car for Mike Macdowell , 5.0 litre Repco , retained untill A/S 14-11-1974 , when advert. for sale, to Tony Brown, advert. for sale by Brown,14-10-1976 A/S p61.

The computer offers apologies.