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Old 28 Nov 2016, 16:27 (Ref:3691807)   #151
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I don't have favourite drivers anymore. I grew out of that a long time a go...
How sad as a fan! Is that really something you "grow out of"? Or just something some might loose along the way.

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... but I do have drivers who I admire and don't admire, for their conduct on and off the track.
Isn't that sort of the same as having favorites?

Note, I am just poking fun at you. I suspect in a way I am more like you in that I have a bit of an internal scorecard for drivers with a list of pluses and minuses. I tend to "like" drivers that seem to be nice guys and personable off track and tend to "dislike" drivers who are jerks in some way (on or off track). Whining is a negative! Skill also counts, but oddly enough I tend to like those who have to work hard at it vs. those who seem to have a natural gift and may not work as hard as others. I also have a habit of cheering for the underdog (which can be a fluid characterization that changes from seasons to season, race to race).

With respect to Lewis and Nico, neither are in my top list of "favorites". I tend to like Nico a bit more than Lewis for various "scorecard" reasons. I admit I both cheered for Lewis loosing (character builder! ) and Nico winning (worked hard, kept eye on the ball and I like to see a variety in champions vs. dynastic winners). I have other drivers I would have rather seen at the front (such as Button which ticks most of my boxes, but that ship has sailed).

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Old 28 Nov 2016, 17:37 (Ref:3691826)   #152
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Somebody may have mentioned this, but we keep being told, whether that is by the teams, the organisers and/or the media, that F1 is a team sport and that the drivers, mechanics, engineers, etc. are all part of that big family called the team. And if you go back through the history of F1, it has always been treated as being a team effort, and that it's policies were directed by the team bosses.

So, when, 50 or so years ago, the team boss put out a pit board for a driver to come into the pits, he did so immediately. And when the driver was told to hand his car over to his team-mate regardless of the championship standings, he did so. He may not have been happy - a huge understatement - but he followed instructions nevertheless.

In this instance, Mercedes had allowed the drivers to fight it out throughout the season (as they did all the prior years), but with just a few laps to go, they were concerned that not only was Hamilton backing Rosberg up to the following cars, but that by doing so he was putting the race win in jeopardy, and so they told him to pick up his pace.

The difference here was that with 5 laps to go, Hamilton had already come to the conclusion that he was highly unlikely to win the WDC no matter what he did, and he didn't care whether he won the last race of this year's championship. And that is what he told the team on the penultimate lap, basically I don't care because I'm not going to win the big prize.

That is a) not sportsmanlike and b) not being a team player.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 18:17 (Ref:3691840)   #153
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Lewis is out there to race, Nico is out there to race and not have Lewis park his car while Nico drives by ..
Lewis is not the property of Paddy or Toto Wolf , it's hard to beat someone like Lewis Nico that's why he is 3 times world champion ...
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 18:19 (Ref:3691842)   #154
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REALLY?!!REEEALLLY?!! Yes, Hamilton didn't speak to him in the post-staging room, but he sure didn't throw a hat back at him, now did he (U.S.GP 2015)? I remember seeing Hamilton congratulating Nico TO THE WORLD while on the PODIUM! Didn't see that happen last year from Nico!

So many like you see/remember the actions you want to, purely to justify "your" way of approaching life instead of questioning your own and understanding the others'.

Yup, you're basically that contributing "one drop in a sea" of increasing world-wide intolerance. Way to go!
Also made a point of going over to Nico in parc fermé and giving him a pat on the back and one of those "full helmet half hugs". In front of all the photographers, even.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 18:28 (Ref:3691845)   #155
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I don't think that's the case actually.

Like I said here before the race, it depends upon what Mercedes wants to achieve.

They have consistently said they wanted to get the best possible team result, and at the very least win the race (any race, not just this one)
While you and I, and Lewis and Nico were only concerned about who was going to be champion, I think Mercedes' prime objective was "we want to win the race".
Hence I think they told Lewis to speed up in order to assure that win, not to help Nico.
I don't think they had anything at stake and how many times has a Ferrari overtaken a Mercedes this year on pure pace?
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 18:41 (Ref:3691850)   #156
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the team also had the right to warn him and ask politely if he wouldn't mind pulling his finger out a bit.
If only they had used that exact wording...

bella, you talk a lot of sense. And regardless of who won the WDC or race, F1 is the winner. Perfect timing?
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 19:00 (Ref:3691853)   #157
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Back in the day the Ecclestone Brabhams never carried the driver names. Why? Because just like everybody else they were just employees. Today's heros would do well to remember that without their employers their lives would be very different - except Lance Stroll off course!
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 20:26 (Ref:3691866)   #158
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What I can't work out is why Lewis thought the tactic would work. He needed to win the race to be champion. If Vettel got passed Rosberg, Lewis would have to speed up to keep the lead. That would be allow Rosberg to pull away from the Red Bull, which was on much older tires and not looking likely to get past. Factoring in that both Verstappen and Vettel would be well aware that knocking Rosberg out the race wouldn't be good for their image, it seems very unlikely he would win the championship backing Nico up.

He'd have done more good for his image and reputation in the team to pull away to make the race safe and then set up the perfect one-two photo with Rosberg on the finish line. He'd have looked good winning the race and won serious points with the marketing types, both in MB and his own sponsors.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 21:13 (Ref:3691880)   #159
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What I can't work out is why Lewis thought the tactic would work. He needed to win the race to be champion. If Vettel got passed Rosberg, Lewis would have to speed up to keep the lead. That would be allow Rosberg to pull away from the Red Bull, which was on much older tires and not looking likely to get past. Factoring in that both Verstappen and Vettel would be well aware that knocking Rosberg out the race wouldn't be good for their image, it seems very unlikely he would win the championship backing Nico up.
Hard to say, but I suspect it had more a chance of working than you think (but still a longshot). While Vettel was charging it DID bunch them all up. That greatly increased the chance that someone (maybe both Vettel and Verstappen) could get past Rosberg. He needed Rosberg demoted to fourth. As to it putting Lewis at risk for not getting the required win... well... at least it would be up to him to defend first place from whoever may have gotten around Rosberg. He probably felt he had the pace to maintain his position regardless of what happened behind him and didn't have much to loose (other than respect of a percentage of those on this forum!) anyhow.

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Old 28 Nov 2016, 21:15 (Ref:3691881)   #160
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Also by slowing down he wouldn't have stressed the tyres and possibly had enough to defend at the end
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 21:31 (Ref:3691886)   #161
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The British press are really busting to see controversy Story Here

Imagine what would have happened had Mr Hamilton's plan worked
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 21:38 (Ref:3691889)   #162
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That greatly increased the chance that someone (maybe both Vettel and Verstappen) could get past Rosberg. He needed Rosberg demoted to fourth.
if vettel was close enough to get past you could bet your salary on verstappen having a look at the next possible or impossible opportunity. based on what we've learnt of the lad the past few seasons it's not even a question surely?

in all seriousness rosberg also said afterwards that hamilton was being very clever about it. he was backing him up in sectors 2 & 3 but firing it off into the distance in sector 1 so he couldn't get within drs and brick chucking distance.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 21:47 (Ref:3691890)   #163
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I thought LH's drive was one of the best he has done - tactically brilliant. Didn't pan out, but a really great drive.

On the other hand, for Merc to tell him to speed up, and effectively ruin the end to the season was one of the worst things they have ever done! In fact, really incomprehensible. They had literally nothing to lose to letting them race!

Anyone wanting LH to be sacked for producing one of the most exciting end of season races needs to find a different sport.

How about sailing? Oh hold on, some sailing does involved sailing deliberately slowly and interfering with your competitors, like the America's Cup for example....
Absolutely spot on.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 22:38 (Ref:3691908)   #165
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I can't believe anyone seriously thinks that if Vettel or Verstapen had got past Rosberg, Hamilton would have done anything other than set a few fastest laps to ensure that he got the win......

Still, never going to sway the views of the haters....
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