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Old 20 Oct 2016, 21:20 (Ref:3681655)   #1
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SuperUtes to launch in 2017

New series to launch in 2017 utilising production based turbo-diesel dual cab utes currently available for sale in the Australian marke
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Old 20 Oct 2016, 21:33 (Ref:3681658)   #2
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Wonder what happened to the control chassis idea floated for this class?

Here's hoping a July start doesnt put the prep houses out of business, with no work (and therefore no income!) for over half a year
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Old 20 Oct 2016, 21:40 (Ref:3681660)   #3
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Wonder what happened to the control chassis idea floated for this class?

Here's hoping a July start doesnt put the prep houses out of business, with no work (and therefore no income!) for over half a year
Control chassis was the previous promoters idea and at the time was part of the reasoning for the series going under
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Old 20 Oct 2016, 23:04 (Ref:3681675)   #4
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Wonder what happened to the control chassis idea floated for this class?

Here's hoping a July start doesnt put the prep houses out of business, with no work (and therefore no income!) for over half a year
Remember that the work doesn't start the day of the first race meeting though. I'd suggest they'll be flat out getting the things built, developed, tested and race ready for mid way through next year, that's assuming the tech regs are locked down in every way at this stage, which they may not be yet.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 03:25 (Ref:3681709)   #5
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Wonder what happened to the control chassis idea floated for this class?
I think the licencing fee that Supercars wanted per chassis for their IP put the kybosh on that particular idea.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 05:21 (Ref:3681717)   #6
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Do we really need it?

The Utes as they are now have justabout come to a natural conclusion, why not funnel the drivers, funding, effort etc... into bolstering classes we already have instead of starting up another new one?

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Of course the last time a series was mooted for similar style of vehicle it barely got off the ground.
Exactly, i think it only lasted the one season, it had some Nissan backing as well.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 13:03 (Ref:3681765)   #7
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I think the licencing fee that Supercars wanted per chassis for their IP put the kybosh on that particular idea.
Word on the street last year was that a couple of the board members were the reason that the Utes idea failed to materialise. Every time the Utes team put forward a proposal supposedly the same two veto'd them and sent them packing. Word was they used the excuse that their IP was being infringed.
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Old 20 Oct 2016, 23:30 (Ref:3681680)   #8
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Of course the last time a series was mooted for similar style of vehicle it barely got off the ground.

However the tradies Utes appear far more popular when it was last attempted.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 03:20 (Ref:3681708)   #9
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Personally im a little unsure if these facts are true, or maybe left over from the previous ideas

The technical specification for the pick-ups will include a control rollcage, cosmetic aero additions, a control Motec ECU and the possibility of a control transmission and rear axle assembly.

The performance kit will include an exhaust, front and rear shock absorbers and springs, six-piston front and four-piston rear brake callipers and front and rear discs, a pedal box and master-cylinder with brake-bias adjustment, control tyres and control wheels.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 05:22 (Ref:3681718)   #10
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How many variations are the usual low-slung 2WD these days?

Amarok isn't. Triton isn't. I don't think the Navara, Ranger, Colorado/D-Max, or BT50 are either.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 06:40 (Ref:3681724)   #11
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Had to check the calendar! Nope, it ain't April 1.
Really?....Are this mob fair dinkum?
The existing ute class of racing had some small measure of entertainment value going for it, if you were into that sort of thing, but deadset.......watching a bunch of dual cab Triton's, Navara's, Hilux's, Amorok's, Ranger's, Colorado's etc racing against each other, is bordering on pathetic. What's next? Bus racing?? I'm sure they could do a deal with MAN, Scania, Volvo, Mercedes etc
Oh wait.....this is the same crowd who bring you stadium super trucks, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
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Old 21 Oct 2016, 07:40 (Ref:3681730)   #12
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Boring!

Just because something is popular in the market place, doesn't mean it be popular with spectators.

2 ton 4WD's (4wd height /look) powered by 4cyl turbo diesels racing around has zero appeal to me. And I owned a twincab 4wd diesel for 12 years.

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Old 21 Oct 2016, 11:50 (Ref:3681757)   #13
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No disrespect to the kiwis but if the Ssangyong series is anything to go by it will be a good time to go to the bar.
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Old 22 Oct 2016, 19:04 (Ref:3681976)   #14
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No disrespect to the kiwis but if the Ssangyong series is anything to go by it will be a good time to go to the bar.
Sizzle,

You obviously have never witnessed a Ssangyong Series race other wise you would not be bagging the series. Ask anybody that was actually at the ITM Pukekohe round of the V8 Supercars last year and many would agree that some of the most exciting racing was provided by the 30 car field of Ssangyong utes running 3 and at times 4 wide around turn One, which makes for very exciting racing as they are not exactly slow around corners, just slow in a straight line. Our utes also use petrol engines so no belching black smoke from these utes thats for certain.

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You obviously have never witnessed a Ssangyong Series race other wise you would not be bagging the series. Ask anybody that was actually at the ITM Pukekohe round of the V8 Supercars last year and many would agree that some of the most exciting racing was provided by the 30 car field of Ssangyong utes running 3 and at times 4 wide around turn One, which makes for very exciting racing as they are not exactly slow around corners, just slow in a straight line. Our utes also use petrol engines so no belching black smoke from these utes thats for certain.
I was at Puke last year Mark, I am sorry I found them to be boring as.
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Saw these things race overseas, What a joke, slow , boring, lots of black smoke, nothing exicting in the racing at all. Wouldn't bother watching them.
And I love the current utes series
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When I saw this on Twitter I thought it was an early April 1 joke...
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They looked reasonably quick on the telly at least.
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Number one priority for future ute series - cheap to repair
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Easy to say, but if it is going to be production-based it is impossible to make a reality.

If you want to make them cheap to fix they have to be bespoke, which makes them more expensive to make.
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Is there really demand for this series by drivers and manufacturers?
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Is there really demand for this series by drivers and manufacturers?
The real issue is that with Ford closing manufacturing here, the Ute is no longer being produced. Holden won't be too far behind, being only a year away from the same fate.

There is zero market relevance in 2 products that the consumer cannot buy any more.

Back in the 1990's there was an attempt by Mr Siddle to get a utes series up, 4 cylinder ones, with support from Nissan amongst others. That few people remember its existence could be telling as to how successful that was..

The concept of multiple manufacturers being represented is a good one, not so the importers can get involved necessarily, but perhaps that the dealers can.

Mr Harris for example is already backed by a Sydney Mazda dealer, despite driving another brand and living in another state. Imagine parlaying that into a West End Mazda BT50 versus a Western Toyota Hilux.. paritied to within an inch of their lives.. looking tough with parts & accessories available through the OEM dealer network....

But will the punters watch?
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As it is, the current ute series is already a few years behind, still running FG and VE panels.
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The solution to this is simple (or not): Run various marque bodies in the Stadium trucks.
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The solution to this is simple (or not): Run various marque bodies in the Stadium trucks.
We dont control stadium trucks though, Its an american thing, that pays special visits to aust
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