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Sydney is a very picky and sophisticated market. Every form of showbiz or sport has problems getting a crowd there unless it is something VERY special, or very new.
Even more than the difficulty in getting a market is the difficulty in maintaining support. Teams, or games, just don't build the fan loyalty that they do elsewhere. Sydney is always looking for the next big thing. Given that the problem for V8SC in the Sydney Market is that there is rarely anything about it you could call the "next big thing". Homebush itself was new, but the gloss has warn off that now. Pecky, and other TC fan club members will probably not like me for saying this but I have a feeling that Sydney is indicative of the fact that the public is getting bored with the same 28 cars, the same 28 drivers, and virtually the same winners. Has V8SC just about reached its use by date with the punters, and more importantly the people paying all the bills? |
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Posting on the #1 WA motorsport site (www.speedwest.net), I've suggested the WASCC have a responsibility to WA motorsport beyond their current membership to let WA taxpayers in on the secret. If I am charitable, I'd suggest the arrangement with Coch0 et al precludes any comment , if not so charitable then a question in the House seems the only way to know what is going on in year #1 of a 5 year year contract. Will the mushroom treatment be successful? |
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f1 champ, your post is too broad to reply to
but i would suggest that a good crowd is a about half a million, on tv in 5 major cities, but at the track it depends if it is a street race or a permanent track. But ideally they want enough to cover costs, which possibly the Sydney 500 is not doing currently |
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An advantage that touring car racing of earlier times had was thar every couple of years someone discovered a new widget. Cortinas and Minis were replaced by GT Falcons and Monaros, then Toranas, Chargers, Commodores and Falcons of varying body shapes, RX7s, Skylines, Sierras BMWs etc. Each season there was always something new to look at and love or hate. Nowadays it is very dificult to see the difference in the cars over the last 10 years. And if anything COF is going to make that rend even more entrenched. Got any suggestions for that new formula Pecky? I note the talk about crowd sizes v population for various venues. I have tried researching a numder of past crowd sizes and don't seem to come up with any reliable information. A few promoters claims occaisionaly, but nor reliable tabulation. Anypne have any idea where these may be archived? By the way, anchient history I know, but Warwick Farm used to pull crowds estimated at 30,000 to 50,000 depending on who was talking to the reporter. That was in the city when the population was less than half what it is now. |
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Then there's Hidden Valley which pulls good crowds - I seem to recall Sunday crowds of 40K odd there. Then there's Townsville and QR which in smaller catchments have pulled similar crowds to Oran Park's best. Add to that the special events such as Bathurst (nearly double Oran Park), Clipsal 500 (more than double Oran Park) then I guess you start to get the idea. Hell, I'm old enough to remember the old days of the Hang Ten 400 at Sandown and claimed crowd numbers of 80K on race day. |
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Bluesport, i guess we will find that out in a few weeks, when those cars run at bathurst,
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Thanks for not blasting me for the comment. COtF is a "major change" so why not take the opportunity to have a proper "major change" and embrace a category that will most likely bring in the manufacturers that the current category is seeking........little V8supercars trying to tell big manufacturers what they should have, but bloodywell don't want, is a classic case of "the tail trying to wag the dog".
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im not sure v8's is seeking those categories, im not sure the people are seeking those categories.
if they are seeking those cars, then they will go to the 12 hour race. but i think we both know they wont go to watch. |
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The point is it is not just about the cars anymore.
V8SC has successfully built the image that they are the premier category with all the big name drivers, the cross promoted TV exposure and the "circus comes to town" image built around racing as an entertainment package. Very professional marketing job, but the worry is that maybe people are no longer responding to the core product. The sizzle is supporting a sausage that is not as tasty to the consumer. Don't know if the answer is GT. Maybe they have the glamour but are looked upon as being a bit upmarket for the average punter. And the current organisers of the B12 can't get an entry list out because of holidays, while the bulk of the local GT cars are not featuring in the big event of the year because they want to be the support act at Clipsal. I really can't see CoTF being the answer as it perpetuates the "all the same car" image. What I can see is that unless someone comes up with a magic bullet the support for motor racing as a full time professional sport/entertainment package will erode very quickly. |
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GT cars may be upmarket but they appeal to motorsport enthusiasts.........the most sold car in Australia is now the Mazda 3 so people are moving away from commodore anyway and the Falcon's sales have been greater in decline for some time.
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all i can say is thank goodness Bluesport is not in charge of motorsport in Australia.
He would kill the industry in one year |
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after you have killed it. Whats your plan B?
The series is far from dead, its just struggling in Sydney. I think one of its key problems is that it is too expensive to attend |
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Lets say rather than just running GT as the premier category, it was modified for the Aussie audience. Make it a category requirement that there are at least a couple of Corvettes, a couple of Camaro's, a couple of Mustangs and a couple of GT40's. Also bring back the Monaro & someone shove a stick up Ford Aust to bring out an equivalent GT spec muscle car. Now you have Ferrari, Lamborghini, Audi, Mercedes, Chev, Ford, Holden, Lotus, Nissan GTR, etc; **** I reckon the worst marketer in the world could market that! |
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But ff1champ, motor racing has in the past attracted much larger crowds as a percentage of population.
Here in Queensland both Lakeside and SPIR have been packed for both Tasman and ATCC rounds. Kieth Williams used to claim 60,000 at SPIR in those days and there were a couple of meetings when I was there when it certainly looked about the number. The one race ATCC at Lakeside that Pete G won in the Cortina was packed like sardines. Nowadays it seems to take counting the crowd over three days, a gratis rock concert and spending a lot of government money to get the Indy crowds above the one day crowd numbers of the past, and that is drawing from more than double the population base. I still say it is the core product that is going stale. P.S Does Muscle car Masters still draw the massive turnout at EC? Last edited by Oldtony; 7 Jan 2012 at 09:48. Reason: add MCM comment |
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why would people go to it, what is off interest, how do we relate, how do we get passionate? Why would we be even interested |
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For the die hard Ford/Holden fans - Chevs & US Fords. For the car enthusiasts - lots of exotic machinery. For the dreamers - lots of exotic machinery. For the rich side of town - Ferraris, Lamborghinis, etc. For everyone else - variety! Do it right and there'd be something for just about any car/motorsport enthusiast. |
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