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Old 20 Dec 2017, 20:47 (Ref:3788407)   #176
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er no, it doesn't mean that..

Show me a 2012-vintage GT3 car that will be competitive with the current crop of 2017 cars?
im just ignoring you becasue you didnt even read my post
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 21:15 (Ref:3788411)   #177
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Not all cars have equal chances of winning because of BoP. That's the intent behind it, but it's not the result or a fact of life... at least not yet.

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Yeah absolutely. Do we remember the 458 at Bathurst in 2016. It couldn't crack the top 17 with Vilander and Salo behind the wheel.

BoP moves and evolves with the cars - its not there to keep older model cars at the front. Any suggestion of this shows a lack of understanding of the application and purpose of BoP
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Yeah absolutely. Do we remember the 458 at Bathurst in 2016. It couldn't crack the top 17 with Vilander and Salo behind the wheel.

BoP moves and evolves with the cars - its not there to keep older model cars at the front. Any suggestion of this shows a lack of understanding of the application and purpose of BoP
so just to be clear you agree that BOP is intended to make all cars equal, but its not perfectly achieved. Because that's what you just said

but at any point we know the cars cant be perfectly equal as they have different characteristics that suit different tracks. some are better at cornering, some better tin the straight line etc

And no one ever said it was intention to keep older model cars at the front, however that is the consequence
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 11:53 (Ref:3788499)   #180
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BoP moves and evolves with the cars - its not there to keep older model cars at the front. Any suggestion of this shows a lack of understanding of the application and purpose of BoP
Precisely, it is mainly about keeping the current spec cars in the same ball park. One thing particularly GT3 has never been about is ensuring old & out of production cars are still BoP'd into winning positions.

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Great lineup indeed

For what the entry list is lacking in machinery variety in the GT3 class it's definitely got some strong car/driver combo's

A shame Whincup is in a Pro-Am car though
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more cars but less variety... depends what you call a peak

The 1000 has less cars than ever these days yet its stronger than ever we are told
The 2012 edition had 27 entries, and the 7th overall was a Holden Astra.

Do you really want to go back to that era?
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 22:33 (Ref:3788605)   #182
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 22:36 (Ref:3788606)   #183
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That was a pretty decent race. Audi, Ferrari, Merc all lead. Less safety cars and the opening stint by Simonsen was something to see.
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The 2012 edition had 27 entries, and the 7th overall was a Holden Astra.

Do you really want to go back to that era?
I think you need to re-read what i wrote

For example go back and compare the 2015 entry list (variety wise) with the 2018 entry list

On 2012 though, more cars would have been good, but I don't know what you mean by the significance of the Astra being 7th overall?
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I think you need to re-read what i wrote

For example go back and compare the 2015 entry list (variety wise) with the 2018 entry list

On 2012 though, more cars would have been good, but I don't know what you mean by the significance of the Astra being 7th overall?
just an easy 43 laps behind the leader and from the slowest category out there.

im assuming they are suggesting the depth in the field was quite low compared to the current years.

6 of the 9 GT3 outright were DNF

here is me comparing 2015 - 2018 (as known) A key difference being that now we have an extra race at bathurst for production cars which as we stand (october entry list) will have 56 cars in it making a total of 116 cars over the two races compared to the 2015 effort of 51 cars.

yeah I can see why you are upset and think its peaked

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Porsche expert and respected engineer Stefan Pfeiffer will manage their campaign, while Patrick Long, Matt Campbell and David Calvert-Jones will again drive for the team in 2018. Alex Davison will be the new addition to the line-up, replacing Marc Lieb.

Pity Lieb isn't returning however Davison is a steady hand to support Long and Cambell.
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A key difference being that now we have an extra race at bathurst for production cars
Um, there was a seperate race, at Easter, for Production Cars in 2015

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yeah I can see why you are upset and think its peaked
You have shown your disdain for GT3 racing plenty of times, maybe if you actually do some research into the health of the category worldwide, you would see that the formula is approaching a serious crossroads
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Um, there was a seperate race, at Easter, for Production Cars in 2015



You have shown your disdain for GT3 racing plenty of times, maybe if you actually do some research into the health of the category worldwide, you would see that the formula is approaching a serious crossroads
sorry i assumed we both knew we were talking enduro events, but yes ther was a 60 minute event in 2015 (and for many years before). Now we have a 6 hour event for productions cars.
My point was clearly missed though. Production cars had always been part of the bathurst 12 hour. 2015 was the last year where they had their own class in the 12 hour, thus we had a quite large choice of vehicles at that event.

In 2016 we had an enduro event for production cars in the form of the bathurst 6 hour. and the production cars no longer had a class We now have two enduro events at the mountains providing a much more significant choice of vehicles over the two two events than we did in 2015, but significantly limiting the choices available in the 12 hour as it focuses more on Sports cars only

I have never had a disdain for for GT racing, Ive just never thought it was a replacement category for Supercars and debated with those that have thought that. Its is a discusion forum after all. Not a "yes Maam GT3 is the best forum" (there is another place for those softies) But this thread is not a discussion on the quality of GT3 its a discussion on the Bathurst 12 hour which currently has GT3 as its leading category

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But this thread is not a discussion on the quality of GT3 its a discussion on the Bathurst 12 hour which currently has GT3 as its leading category
Which therefore makes the health of GT3 racing imperative to any discussion of the Bathurst 12hr while ever GT3 cars are it's centre piece
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Which therefore makes the health of GT3 racing imperative to any discussion of the Bathurst 12hr while ever GT3 cars are it's centre piece
Great. So 31 cars this year. largest ever grid of GT4 (which is supposedly is the future) Biggest ever field (at this stage)

sounds like last year (or 2015) was not the peak of the event

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There will be a Mustang on the grid apparently.
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What have you heard and what sort (as in class) GT4?
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What have you heard and what sort (as in class) GT4?
It'll be a MARC car with a Mustang body
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Yep. We’ll see a Mustang on Australian race tracks in GT races a good year before we might see it in Supercars....

Did hear musings of a Euro team entering a Mustang GT4 at Bathurst but that’s not happening anymore.
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Yep. We’ll see a Mustang on Australian race tracks in GT races a good year before we might see it in Supercars....

Did hear musings of a Euro team entering a Mustang GT4 at Bathurst but that’s not happening anymore.
Canadian Scott Maxwell ran a GT4 Mustang at Paul Ricard in October. It was fast enough when it was going, but plagued with prop-shaft issues in 1 hour races.

Unless they have sorted that, it can't see one lasting 12 hours ......
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Massive story this morning with the return of a crafty overseas team and they’re set to bring international guns with them.
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Possible entry from Craft-Bamboo?
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Craft Bamboo suggested on facebook this morning they might be coming back
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