Lites / LMP3

[ger80]

CN's up to 2017 in AsianLMS
http://sportscar365.com/asian-lms/se...-through-2017/
Maybe they should do the same for ELMS and only introduce LMP3 when they also renew LMP2?
Plenty of CN's around in Europe. Just would be nice to have an alternative, cheaper engine ...

[PascaLM]

First laps for the new Ligier JS55 :

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/la-...a-magny-cours/

[silente]

I would be really curious to know how effective this new CN2 close protos are....at least compared to the normal ones...

[Ken_T]

Mike Fuller just tweeted that he saw a rendering of a new LMP3 from Riley. Should be interesting. I asked Elkins a couple weeks ago about the category and he said they were watching its progress. With Riley in the mix, perhaps it will speed up things on this side of the pond.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Ken_T

Mike Fuller just tweeted that he saw a rendering of a new LMP3 from Riley. Should be interesting. I asked Elkins a couple weeks ago about the category and he said they were watching its progress. With Riley in the mix, perhaps it will speed up things on this side of the pond.

I think it would be better suited as a class in the IMSA Lites category instead of the main show. If for no other reason than room on the grid.

[Ken_T]

I agree. That is what lites should be. Multiple chassis' and same engine. it would be cool if the tub was able to be used for a team to step up with engine changes and such.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Ken_T

Mike Fuller just tweeted that he saw a rendering of a new LMP3 from Riley. Should be interesting. I asked Elkins a couple weeks ago about the category and he said they were watching its progress. With Riley in the mix, perhaps it will speed up things on this side of the pond.

if they make a LMP3 car, then can a LMP2 coupe for 2017 be next? their stillborn LMP2 concept had no takers, but if they finally kill off the DP, im sure the current riley DP teams would be happy to switch to a riley LMP2 chassis.

as for the corvette DP teams, i can see TUSC allowing them to use C7 corvette bodywork over LMP2 carbon tubs, not unlike DTM. obviously TUSC will balance the aero to keep their beloved "corvette DPs" competitive...

[hondafan37]

Riley Planning LMP3 Car for 2015
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/...-car-for-2015/

[madfast]

Pescarolo 02 coupe with the fin looks pretty good

[madfast]

ADESS coming out with an LMP3 soon

http://sportscar365.com/industry/ade...lmp3-concepts/

[Maelochs]

Pescarolos look Much better in photos than in renderings.

[FIRE]

Pescarolo = OnRoak or Oreca built?

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Pescarolos look Much better in photos than in renderings.

imo it looks better with the fin than without. cant wait to see real pics of it with the fin.

Originally Posted by FIRE

Pescarolo = OnRoak or Oreca built?

built by Sora racing

http://www.sora-racing.com/index.php

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Mr Goodwin tweeting that "ACO will make presentations of the new LMP3 proposals both at Red Bull Ring and Inje this weekend"

[bella]

so, the aco have explained their vision for the 2015 lmp3 class.

initial observations are that to an old single seater cynic, most of the cliches and buzzwords on the new series bingo sheet were present, including cheap spare parts and low cost chassis. the one thing that said to me that they're serious and might actually have something that ends up being cost effective is that the engine and gearbox is to last more than a full season of racing - expected lifespan before rebuild is 10,000km. that's usually where all these ideals fall over, and if they do indeed have six manufacturers seriously interested in producing a car for that control engine and gearbox they could really be onto something. there's some interesting common sense stuff too - it's a heavy car but by making it heavy the need for silly expensive light materials is minimised. and to help gentleman drivers power steering will be compulsory.

not least because most single seater series are struggling for competitors, and for €110-130,000 (projected) per driver you can't get very far.

going to be following this concept and the developments closely.

[lms]

Originally Posted by bella

so, the aco have explained their vision for the 2015 lmp3 class.

initial observations are that to an old single seater cynic, most of the cliches and buzzwords on the new series bingo sheet were present, including cheap spare parts and low cost chassis. the one thing that said to me that they're serious and might actually have something that ends up being cost effective is that the engine and gearbox is to last more than a full season of racing - expected lifespan before rebuild is 10,000km. that's usually where all these ideals fall over, and if they do indeed have six manufacturers seriously interested in producing a car for that control engine and gearbox they could really be onto something. there's some interesting common sense stuff too - it's a heavy car but by making it heavy the need for silly expensive light materials is minimised. and to help gentleman drivers power steering will be compulsory.

not least because most single seater series are struggling for competitors, and for €110-130,000 (projected) per driver you can't get very far.

going to be following this concept and the developments closely.

interesting. I hope the manufacturers support these new regs and will all remain in buisness (Onroak Automotive, SORA / Sébastien Loeb Racing, Tatuus, Riley Scott, Norma and Juno agreed according to einfo) and hopefully there will be new constructors as well, like oreca.

The concept art doesnt look too bad. The car looks like a small lmp2. Hopefully making it coupe only wont be a problem for the constructors and they can build cars according to the cost cap (reports indicate the cost cap will be an issue for them but i dont know where i read it)

Because of the new tire and cockpit dimensions and bhhs, seems like the chassis needs to be heavily modified, so new cars need to be built from scratch.

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/lac...tegorie-lm-p3/
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/...lass-for-2015/
http://www.lemans.org/wpphpFichiers/...ss-release.pdf

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Originally Posted by lms

interesting. I hope the manufacturers support these new regs and will all remain in buisness (Onroak Automotive, SORA / Sébastien Loeb Racing, Tatuus, Riley Scott, Norma and Juno agreed according to einfo)]and hopefully there will be new constructors as well, like oreca.

Nope!
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/...lass-for-2015/

Being an exclusive engine supplier, ORECA is not allowed to design or sell an LMP3 chassis.

[bella]

if there's that many constructors interested then the cost cap won't be an issue. if it was an issue, then nobody would be interested.

in my unwise, misjudged opinion, what's more significant here is that it represents a bit of a change in attitude. depending on what 'low cost spares' actually means, it could signify a huge change in chassis manufacturer attitude. historically that's where a lot of the (in single seaters at least) cost of designing the blimmin' thing is recouped, and let's be real - where there's a low maintenance car, the only way you can generate some spending through your spares department is by making it really difficult to drive and selling a lot of bodywork and suspension...

i think it's sneaky by the aco too - getting constructors involved at this basic stage could entice some more into lmp2, especially if the absolute basic details of the tub are the same. perhaps the biggest problem will be finding enough gentleman drivers to get involved - i'm not totally sure if there's going to be a young driver market for it.

also something i'm not sure about is where lmp3 will fit in with laptimes - perhaps it's an indicator that lmp2 will be sped up a bit.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by bella

also something i'm not sure about is where lmp3 will fit in with laptimes - perhaps it's an indicator that lmp2 will be sped up a bit.

Apparently projected laptime is two seconds faster than GTE.

I think they'll rather get lazy and just slown down GTE (and GT3) more as they usually do

[MagVanisher]

Since the LMP3 class will have restrictive specifications, right down to the engine, I guess there's no room for something less that 8-cylinders.

Speaking of 8-cylinders, I think the Chevy V8 engine that powers the LMPC cars will be sticking around, only in de-tuned form.

[pablocomics]

It seems that they are going to use the same size of tyres of the Porsche Cup, the LMP3 will look much better than the CN cars.

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http://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/...per-with-lmp3/

“We forget [CN] totally because the ACO creates a new category."

It's gotta be new record to be forgetting something after you've had one race with them.

“The CN has been around for a lot of years, and to be honest, the safety rules of the car is totally obsolete.

“We don’t want to compare CN and LMP3. We want both categories to compete in the Asian Le Mans Series for the next three seasons, but at the end, we want more and more LMP3s.”

Isn't it reassuring to hear someone high in the hierarchy calling cars competing on track "totally obsolete" in safety department? If they are such hazards, why allow them on track in the first place, and in just one series? Oh right, 6 car grids...

The question in Asia, however, is whether LMP3 and CN can successfully coexist, with both platforms set to be a part of the championship over the next two years.

While the launch of the CN class last weekend at Inje drew only two cars, Asian LMS managing director Mark Thomas said he expects to have between 5-6 of those cars on the grid by the end of the year.

However, the launch of the LMP3 class last weekend in Inje appears to have put a few prospective CN teams on the sidelines to see how ACO’s new class pans out.

When you basically announce the death of a class that's never raced in your series, you shouldn't be surprised when no one shows up!

“Don’t forget that BPR started with only three cars in 1995 and you can see this weekend, the same promoter, Stephane Ratel, will have 60 cars, at the 24 Hours of Spa,” Monte said. “So the main target for next year is to start the category. It doesn’t matter if we have 1 or 2 cars; this category must start. The ACO will do everything to start this category.”

It was 1994. And it wasn't three cars or even models, three makes (Porsche, Venturi, Lotus) of various cars in various classes making a 40 car grid for the first race. So in that respect comparing that to their "It doesn’t matter if we have 1 or 2 cars" is irrelevant.

[ger80]

Should they have gone for "LMP2 lite"? LMP2 chassis open or closed with some cost reduction measures and the LMPC drive train? So basicly LMPC but also Zytek, Oak, ... chassis instead of just the Oreca

[Speed-King]

It's not Monte or any other ACO guy that will decide the fate of P3, but Eric VdeV... Should he decide to adopt P3 for his series (and there are some indications that he might) that'd be a huge shot in the arm for the class.

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Eric VdeV?