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25 Sep 2014, 20:38 (Ref:3457655) | #1 | ||
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So is Solberg gonna take the championship this weekend? Would be nice to see the Hansen team take a win
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25 Sep 2014, 22:46 (Ref:3457677) | #2 | ||
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The Hansen cars certainly seem to be on the pace (and far more consistent). I want to see Solberg take the title, but it would be nice to see someone else take the win.
I hope Galli puts on a good show. Entry list for Italy here: http://media.rallycrossrx.com/docs/I...try%20list.pdf 40 Supercars 11 Touring Cars 19 Super 1600 |
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Anyone seen a layout of the track yet?
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Pretty good entry again - Holte back with the Hyundai (does anybody know what the problem was with that?). No Ramona Karlsson though? Eklunds Saab is there with Linus Westman so why not Karlsson in the car? Did I miss something there? (I know she was in an Albatec car last time out but I assumed that it was a one-off swap).
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Ramona Karlsson said she was dissatisfied with the SAAB, it wasn't a car that could compete in the top. After Höljes she demanded that Eklund developed the car to be in the top but decided to quit the whole program together later.
http://www.vf.se/sport/bilsport/ordk...er-skilsmassan I have also heard that Karlsson apparently ran out of money and couldn't afford to go on with Eklund. |
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As usual I'll reserve judgement until after the event, but on first look it seems a bit fiddly. Having said that I didn't think Mettet looked great and that turned out fine. Please don't tell me that those grey areas marked run off are concentrate run off. I hate that stuff and its been ruination of many a good circuit. If it is I can imagine the phrase track limits being mentioned a few times during the event. |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr170JyymWs I see the inevitable tabletops are in there. Hopefully there are no car breakers like at Mettet. The turn at 1 doesn't look too severe from the air. You can see it in the middle of the screen at 0:20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGev2oEiZLw Hopefully they'll come into that at speed rather than having to slow down (and crash into each other!). |
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The jump was my only bug bear with Mettet, it just didn't need it. I'm not against them but not on every circuit. |
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Karlsson dosen't have the speed, most rally drivers really do. |
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Sorry, but that is just one point of view. In the past most Rally drivers were only average in Rallycross. Currently there are more and some cope up better with Rallycross these days. However, Petter and Henning Solberg started with Rallycross, while Mattias Ekström started in tarmac racing. Many Rally drivers I have seen live in Rallycross since 1974 had huge problems launching there cars and to fight with several other drivers around them. Rallycross is not only driving skills when driving with a gap to he who is in front of you and he who is behind you. One example people like to come up with for showing how good Rally drivers are doing in Rallycross is when Marcus Grönholm did his first ever Rallycross at Höljes to win the Swedish 2008 ERC round. But if Ludvig Hunsbedt had survived while leading the A final and Kenneth Hansen in second position hadn't backed off for Grönholm the Finn would have presumably finished third, not first. However, I do not generally rate Rally drivers lower than those who never did anything else but Rallycross, like you do it the other way round.
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However I wouldn't say that is a guarantee of rallycross success, as there are obvious difficulties unique to rallycross that rally drivers won't be used to (i.e. traffic!). I daresay the majority of rally drivers who have success in rallycross seem to have some experience in pack racing (or rallycross) earlier in their career. Karlsson is obviously a good rally driver, but you can't compare her to the Solberg's, Gronholm, Eklund, Loeb or even Meeke. She has nowhere near the same level of experience in either rally or rallycross. |
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A top driver in the WRC has all the experience and driving skills needed to be fast in rallycross. I don't rate rallycross drivers lower. But with the amount of driving, driving on different surfaces, professional teams and people being around you in a WRC factory team, rallycross just can't compare to it right now. When Grönholm was in Höljes, I remember a former WRC mechanic who worked for Stecka that said:"One year for a WRC driver is like 10 years for a rallycross driver." A rallycross driver is smarter if he is in between two other drivers. But when in it comes to posting times, a rally driver could just as well put up fast times. |
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Petter with an engine change tonight - brings a bit of life back to the title battle!
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15 points penalty (per engine) only if he is using more than 3 engines in the 12 WRX rounds, so from the 4th engine on.
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27 Sep 2014, 18:49 (Ref:3458165) | #23 | ||
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Hunsbedt was in the lead when he retired back then. And when Grönholm came out of the Joker Lap detour Hansen was there, but did not take any risk and backed off. I'm certain there would have been contact, if not, but Hansen had the right of way according to the rules. I'm also certain that Grönholm had not taken any care of that rule, so Hansen did the right thing. He would have put his first or second place at stake and would have been the bad guy too in case of a crash...
BTW, there is no doubt that Rally drivers have more experience and practice with all their time and kms in competition. I just say they are not due to that automatically the better Rallycross drivers. |
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"When the red light was flashed Grönholm immediately went into the lead ahead of Jernberg and Eriksson while Hansen and also Hunsbedt opted for the joker lap. Eriksson was already forced to retire during the first lap of the final race of the day. In the second lap Jernberg was closing the gap with Grönholm but wasn't able to pass him. After his obligatory pass through the joker lap he re-joined the main track in fifth position. Hunsbedt was succesfull in overtaking Hansen but unfortunately for the Norwegian the wheel of his Volvo broke after the Höljes-jump. Hansen climbed to second place in the race when Grönholm went into the joker lap. The Finn came out of it just in front of Hansen and lead the race until the finish line. Hansen finished second ahead of Jernberg and Walfridsson." Frank Van Rooy wrote this in the report on Rallycross Online. I meant to write they were going for Grönholm in my last post. Though, I am sure of that Grönholm lead all the way ..
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