[WTCC] 2016 WTCC news & rumours

[Rubio]

In other news, according to Yves Matton, if Citroen leaves WTCC there will be only 2 private C-Elysee left on the grid from 2017 for SLR
http://www.diariomotor.com/competici...do-en-el-wtcc/

[iceman-1987]

Originally Posted by Rubio

In other news, according to Yves Matton, if Citroen leaves WTCC there will be only 2 private C-Elysee left on the grid from 2017 for SLR
http://www.diariomotor.com/competici...do-en-el-wtcc/

I don't see why there should be just 2 cars if citroen leaves. Imo I think all 5 citroen would remain on the grid.

But I don't see why they should leave just now that a great manufacturer like volvo entered officially in wtcc.

[peetleouf]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

I don't see why there should be just 2 cars if citroen leaves. Imo I think all 5 citroen would remain on the grid.

But I don't see why they should leave just now that a great manufacturer like volvo entered officially in wtcc.

1. Because they said that they would leave one championship in 2017.
2. Because they said that a China round is a must have in the championship where they will stay, and now WRC has one.
3. Because they said that in a perfect world in PSA group, "one brand : one sport" rule apply. DS have FE, Peugeot : Dakar.
4. Because they think that they have a huge advantage for the motor with the new regulation coming in 2017 WRC.

[thlbtcc]

Originally Posted by Rubio

A little return to 2015 events - poster for Losail featurers Nasser Al-Attiyah. Are we about to have a surprise entry?
https://twitter.com/Losail_Circuit/s...43292448653312

Good spot, that'll be interesting!

[iceman-1987]

Originally Posted by peetleouf

1. Because they said that they would leave one championship in 2017.
2. Because they said that a China round is a must have in the championship where they will stay, and now WRC has one.
3. Because they said that in a perfect world in PSA group, "one brand : one sport" rule apply. DS have FE, Peugeot : Dakar.
4. Because they think that they have a huge advantage for the motor with the new regulation coming in 2017 WRC.

I didn't ask why they would leave from wtcc i asked why they should remain with just 2 cars!!!!

Now they have 5 cars and even if they leave wtcc I think they could let on the grid all the actual 5 cars!!!

Got it?

[Lanti]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

I didn't ask why they would leave from wtcc i asked why they should remain with just 2 cars!!!!

Now they have 5 cars and even if they leave wtcc I think they could let on the grid all the actual 5 cars!!!

Got it?

Perhaps because they don't want to spend to much energy on supporting private teams with spares and in other ways. If they decide to focus on WRC, they might want to put all eggs into that basket.

I have another guess. I think, if Loeb somehow wins in 2016, it would be very likely that he Citroen leaves. If not, it is a tough decision. With the arrival of Volvo and a possible brand new car from Honda I doubt some privately entered Citroens will have an easy ride for the title in 2017.

And I think Loeb does not want to give up this challenge. It would be a retreat and he does not like things like that. I know he said he can drive in his own team, but do you think he can have a shoot in 2017 against factory cars from Volvo, Honda and Lada?

[peetleouf]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

I didn't ask why they would leave from wtcc i asked why they should remain with just 2 cars!!!!

Now they have 5 cars and even if they leave wtcc I think they could let on the grid all the actual 5 cars!!!

Got it?

Sorry i focused on that word : "But I don't see why they should leave just now that a great manufacturer like volvo entered officially in wtcc."

But i am agree with you, it would be a shame that they leave now and worse if they only left 2 cars...

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by Rubio

A little return to 2015 events - poster for Losail featurers Nasser Al-Attiyah. Are we about to have a surprise entry?
https://twitter.com/Losail_Circuit/s...43292448653312

Mmm... interesting.

Speaking of road and off-road clashing in the Middle East... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQwjwDHAyDA

[Cinghio44]

Originally Posted by Lanti

... but do you think he can have a shoot in 2017 against factory cars from Volvo, Honda and Lada?

Volvo will be a real contender for sure!
Actually I have a lot of doubts about the Honda project in WTCC and Lada proves nothing with the new Vesta yet.

S. Loeb Team with 2 car, with a big sponsor and with a second winning driver would be a menace in my opinion

[FIRE]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Mmm... interesting.

Speaking of road and off-road clashing in the Middle East... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQwjwDHAyDA

They don't care about the chicane.

[thlbtcc]

Originally Posted by FIRE

They don't care about the chicane.

Amazing video!

[FIRE]

It's a shame we don't have this sort events anymore. Okay there's Race of Champions but would rather see a real car or kart race.

[steve_r]

Robert Kubica is making noises that he will be doing something different to rallying next year. He has not said anything more than that - but surely a WTCC drive would suit someone of his stature.

Just throwing this out there. Probably 2+2=5.

[Rubio]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121540

More points for Race TWO? Someone had a brain fade or what?

Ok, (trying to think it over seriously) probably means no reversed grid, and tweaks to qualifying next year.

[redshoes]

Originally Posted by Rubio

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121540

More points for Race TWO? Someone had a brain fade or what?

They are looking at race length at the same time. They could for example have a short sprint for race 1 and a longer race 2, in which case awarding more points for race 2 is seems perfectly reasonable.

[Lanti]

Originally Posted by Rubio

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121540

More points for Race TWO? Someone had a brain fade or what?

Ok, (trying to think it over seriously) probably means no reversed grid, and tweaks to qualifying next year.

It is also possible that they simply tweek the starting regulation, and Race One will be the reverse grid one.

[Juntos]

We are all looking forward to hearing the names of next year Honda's line up! I do not think that Taquini is slower. When he is focused and his car is not giving him problems, he is just as fast as Monteiro. He doesn't have to worry about if he is fast enough, but just fitting together all the pieces of the puzzle. Age doesn't help and Ribeiro said it before.

[NaBUru38]

I'd like race 2 to be longer and give more points.

Now I wonder what will they do in race 1 to move the Citroëns back.

[Rubio]

Originally Posted by Lanti

It is also possible that they simply tweek the starting regulation, and Race One will be the reverse grid one.

IMO a very bad idea - let's imagine a driver who tops every session, wins the qualy by a huge margin, starts Race 1 from 10th place, gets knocked out in the first corner and gets severe damage so that he can't start Race 2 from his deserved pole. And then - bye bye to a handful of points.

Just imagine Lopez would have been caught in the melley in recent Race 1 in Shanghai.

Then there is another problem. Longer races may be good and more serious but on the other hand I'm afraid that under TC1 regulations it will turn into a complete boredom. Especially with Citroens at front.

Keep it as it is. It works just fine

[Lanti]

Originally Posted by Rubio

IMO a very bad idea - let's imagine a driver who tops every session, wins the qualy by a huge margin, starts Race 1 from 10th place, gets knocked out in the first corner and gets severe damage so that he can't start Race 2 from his deserved pole. And then - bye bye to a handful of points.

Then there is another problem. Longer races may be good and more serious but on the other hand I'm afraid that under TC1 regulations it will turn into a complete boredom. Especially with Citroens at front.

Keep it as it is. It works just fine

Good point, both! As usual we get back to the point that as long as Citroen is in such domination it does not really help to tweak this or that. First you need close racing, and then come the details.

[iceman-1987]

well i think that manufactures are pushing to get more visibility on tv so i guess they would prefer a longer race in second manche.

i dont think it's a bad idea we have just to find the right compromise of point system from race 1 to race 2.

imho id like this changes:
qualifying: Q1 and pass to Q2 just the first 10 drivers. Q2 one lap to each driver from tenth to first and gets points just the first 3 drivers: 5-3-1
race 1 sprint 65km in the morning: 20-15-12-10-8-6-4-3-2-1 to the first ten drivers.
race 2 endurance 110km in the afternoon: 40-30-24-20-16-12-8-6-4-2 and complete reverse grid compared to Q2 standings moreover id like to make change of tyres compulsory with the possibility to driver to decide if change just 2 tyres (fron tyres or left/right side) or all 4 tyres.

in this way even for those drivers who departe from the last row of the grid there would be opportunity to recover positions.

i dont think the costs would increase because the only modification to make should be to the tank.

[auroan]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

i dont think the costs would increase because the only modification to make should be to the tank.

So tyres, fuel, reduced engine rebuild intervals etc don't cost anything ?

[iceman-1987]

Originally Posted by auroan

So tyres, fuel, reduced engine rebuild intervals etc don't cost anything ?

i dont think they will pay to get a set in more of yokohama at each race 2 as i dont think they have to go to gas station to make full gasoline before each race!!

and about the engine there is already the rule that every car has to use one engine for the whole championship otherwise there will be penalty of 10 position!

[peetleouf]

I don't know how it's working in WTCC but in FIM Endurance Championship, the teams must paid for fuel at a fixed price higher than the regular, and also for tyres.

[Rubio]

Originally Posted by iceman-1987

race 2 endurance 110km in the afternoon: 40-30-24-20-16-12-8-6-4-2 and complete reverse grid compared to Q2 standings moreover id like to make change of tyres compulsory with the possibility to driver to decide if change just 2 tyres (fron tyres or left/right side) or all 4 tyres.

No enduros please. It's touring cars, not formula racing. Sprint races always worked well. Make it maximum 70km (half an hour long race). I don't really understand - is there such a big need in this change? Do fans really want this? I can only presume as a marketer that they have lower ratings for Race 2's (just look any race at Youtube - Race 1 usually has more views) but come on, without the reversed grid (which, if you want to make Race 2 longer and more important has to be abolished) they will be boring as hell. "We are on lap 23 and Citroens are 25 seconds ahead for the podium finish...."

If you want to make the rules more serious - give more points for qualifying, give more points for Race 1, permit more cars into Q2.

Changes are ought to make racing more exciting, not duller