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16 Jan 2018, 07:02 (Ref:3793046) | #5401 | ||
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That piece of tarmac on the exit of the first chicane has been there since the chicanes came in, cars have been using that for years before other track changes. Same for the exit of the second chicane.
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Nothing has been confirmed. The Porsche link was made by just one journalist/photographer who was present at the end of season party, but no other media source has openly made that link, so it seems somewhat tenuous. Bart has maintained throughout that their preference would be for a normally aspirated engine, so the Gibson engine does seem most likely. But, it does seem a little strange that there has been no announcement. There's the Zenvo link, so maybe that engine is further down the line than we realise. Who knows...
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16 Jan 2018, 11:30 (Ref:3793082) | #5404 | ||
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Lets evaluate the difference including 8 MJ of hybrid energy: Hybrid: 124,9 MJ burned with 43% efficiency = 53,7MJ + 8 MJ = ~62MJ/lap kinetic energy Non-Hybrid: 210 * 0.43 = 90 MJ/lap kinetic energy Non-hybrid will have 45% more kinetic energy to work with. This is not normal to me, non-hybrids will be burning gas till the end of the straight with very late braking, hybrids will boost out of the corner faster but will be saving fuel at high speed. This will most certainly make races interesting with multiple overtaking in one lap, but IMO this very dangerous, we have seen multiple collisions between LMP1 and LPM2 because of this fact, making non-hybrid even faster this will be even more dangerous for LMP1H. |
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16 Jan 2018, 15:16 (Ref:3793116) | #5405 | ||
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I do think that we're missing out on the possibility of Rebellion (or someone else) running the Judd V10, now that they're available again, and Rebellion used to be a Judd customer in both LMP1 and LMP2.
I also know that because of how fast the LMP2 cars got at Le Mans and with them still being air restricted (no lift and coast), there were concerns on top end between them and LMP1s. But in spite of that, there were few incidents (though the #9 Toyota at LM was an infamous one). However, the LMP1 privateers are supposed to have more power, but I'm sure that if the ACO determine it to be a hazard, they can go back and make changes. |
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25 Jan 2018, 23:10 (Ref:3795136) | #5406 | ||
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McLaren CEO Zak Brown feels that common regulations for prototypes in IMSA and the WEC would be a logical step moving forward for teams, drivers and manufacturers.
“We’re involved in the new rules that the WEC are working on and collaborating with IMSA. We’re in those meetings,” Brown said. http://www.dailysportscar.com/2018/0...-interest.html |
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26 Jan 2018, 03:20 (Ref:3795185) | #5407 | ||
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27 Jan 2018, 11:36 (Ref:3795394) | #5408 | ||
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New LMP1 regs to be announced at LM. Seems like much clearer talk of a common top class across ACO/IMSA.
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/a...elease-for-new |
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27 Jan 2018, 18:38 (Ref:3795471) | #5409 | ||
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From Racecar Engineering site, Gilles Simon interview (mostly about LMP1): "...If you look at the cost of the GT3 car, for example, it is quite high but that is not an issue because you have professional organisations that are racing this car every weekend, so it is an investment..."
I think it's quite clear that "imsAco" is inevitable. |
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7 Feb 2018, 16:21 (Ref:3799343) | #5410 | |
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I mean I understand why the ACO are listening to Brown and Doonan and whoever else in turn is wanting to lobby their wanted political direction, obviously the French are desperate to get people back into top category with OEM support. But when the desired ideology of those people they're listening is to have cheap performance balanced spec cars (made by other people) with masqueraded styling cues, they should just say "thanks for your input" but insist on having their own route... which I guess they -kind of- are, but -kind of- is still half giving up to lobbying. I don't want some mid-way -kind of- hybridization that's just there for show-off. Also the styling cues, same thing. There needs to be substance. Of course it would be great to have common top LMP platform for LM, Sebring and Daytona, but it wasn't the ACO who ripped away that possibility in the first place... "people that like to travel" or whatever it was that mr Panoz said that one day when he sold his assets to Daytona Beach. It would be pretty funny if come 2021-2023 the remaining privateer LMP1 cars, assuming not phased out, are more technologically versatile than the styling cue GTP-DPi 2.0s. Last edited by Deleted; 7 Feb 2018 at 16:27. |
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7 Feb 2018, 23:12 (Ref:3799408) | #5412 | ||
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Look how well the GTE class works with no hybrids. Would it really bother you at all to see simplified cheaper LMP1s? It's the actual racing that gets us going isn't it? And thats all down to drivers, teams, strategy. Everything underneath is quite superficial, meaningless... |
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7 Feb 2018, 23:37 (Ref:3799412) | #5413 | ||
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It would bother me. I don't care about "close racing", I mean sure it's nice if it's comes by but I want real racing. Which I don't consider GTE to be (anymore) except maybe for very minimal fraction left somewhere. Anyway, the hybrids itself aren't that deal or no deal to me (and I mean that kind of progression is already kind of dying in face of electric vehicles), but that wasn't really the point... the point is that listening to lobbyist demands isn't the answer for organizer. These OEMs come and go anyway, there's always going to be people in your top category if it means winning the biggest race on Earth, it just depends who they are and which capacity each year. |
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Getting rid of hybrids in endurance racing at this point would be as utterly asinine as when they forced out turbos for 3.5L F1 engines because those manufacturers were totally going to race in both championships. The technology matches the sport too well. Any kind of standardized hybrid system is just a joke though. Pretty terribly these days, actually. |
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8 Feb 2018, 09:49 (Ref:3799492) | #5415 | ||
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Horses for courses, but for me, I would sacrifice watching close racing in heavily BOP'd classes/formulas/series for witnessing a dominant display from a car which is just better than the others in it's class, because the designers/constructor/engineers have done a better job. |
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8 Feb 2018, 13:05 (Ref:3799543) | #5417 | ||
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And that's how things used to be I'd argue. But nowadays everyone wants results, wants them fast, and they don't care how it comes about as long as they get the return on investment they want.
And even then, there's no guarantees on that. |
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8 Feb 2018, 13:12 (Ref:3799545) | #5418 | ||
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As for LMP2 and LMP3, although they haven't fallen senseless like GTE and DPi with round by round political performance balancing, they too are nevertheless victims of over standardization and "teams and drivers are the stars" lunacy. Add into that the "everyone's a winner" concept of pro-am. LMP1 is the last haven for realness and (not fabricated) variety, with tech impact. I fear that will be taken away with GTP/DPi 2.0, at least for OEMs |
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8 Feb 2018, 15:02 (Ref:3799578) | #5419 | |
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Listening to yesterdays MWM because of them discussing (previewing) the entry lists, Goodwin says you can re-homologate nonhybrid LMP1 car/bodywork for every single race if you want?
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8 Feb 2018, 17:45 (Ref:3799636) | #5420 | |
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Wasn't there a rule or at least talk about a new manufacturer entering being allowed to update their aero package until it was competitive with the established teams? Maybe they held onto that for the privateers.
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Established Factory OEM - 1 Debuting Factory OEM - What you say Privateers - Unlimited ? |
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8 Feb 2018, 22:16 (Ref:3799705) | #5422 | ||
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The limit of the number of aerokits per season is stated in Appendix M. In the technical regulations for non-hybrids (https://www.fia.com/file/65126/downl...token=Fd_IoZGk) there is no Appendix M and I couldn't find another limitation of available aero kits. So it seems exactly like you said |
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9 Feb 2018, 02:28 (Ref:3799751) | #5423 | |
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I think there is still a massive elephant in the room. Some manufacturers want Hybrids, other manufacturers do not want hybrids.
Also will this GTP style LMP cannibalize the GTE class (in favor of GT3)? Mclaren haven't developed a 720S GTE, because they have interest in LMP1 now. Ferrari, Aston, BMW, Porsche!. Who wouldn't try to build a "GTP" style LMP in a much more cost effective top class? Sounds like it comes at the expense of GTE. Will that category go away in favor of GT3? |
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10 Feb 2018, 13:36 (Ref:3800274) | #5425 | |
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GTE will still be much cheaper (well unless they go full in DPi route which would be absolute nightmare) and GT3 is still illegal from 24 hours, so they're not going to disappear suddenly
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