F3 Euro Series Off Season Discussions for 2010 - Page 2

brucelok2003 · 29 Nov 2009, 23:42 (Ref:2591458)

Why don't they re-introduce F3 Euro Trophy? It's a way to increase the size of the grid. Since the calendar has less non-German rounds, the organizer can invite ATS F3 teams to join the trophy, like Van Amersfoot, HS Technik and Racing Experience.

jab · 30 Nov 2009, 13:43 (Ref:2591734)

Further confirmation that French motorsport is dying on its arse at the moment

META4 · 30 Nov 2009, 19:22 (Ref:2591874)

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Originally Posted by jab

Further confirmation that French motorsport is dying on its arse at the moment

Can you tell me from which country are the teams like ART ( Championship Winner),Signature ( Macau Winner), Citroen Sport (WRC Winner) and others like Oreca,SG Formula,Tech1.... what about the likes Bianchi,Vernay,Vergne,Pic...

France is more lacking of peoples to organise events, Pau will not happen in 2010 and Dijon DTM will not happen...

I reckon the problem of Euroseries is the DTM itself, DTM struggles to attract spectators out of Germany,DTM at Barcelona was a complete failure .

Maybe F3 Euroseries should look at the WTCC Week ends .

Regarding the re-introduction of the Euro F3 Trophy i reckon it would not be a bad idea, but German F3 allows teams to test as much as they wish when F3 Euroseries has very limited testing time and Yokohama tyres are performing better than Kumho,that is probably why Germany has still 2 championships of Formula 3.

Rf1 Fan · 30 Nov 2009, 19:35 (Ref:2591881)

Just add also Nath Berthon with Draco in 2010...
Jim Pla....

jab · 30 Nov 2009, 20:09 (Ref:2591900)

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Originally Posted by META4

Can you tell me from which country are the teams like ART ( Championship Winner),Signature ( Macau Winner), Citroen Sport (WRC Winner) and others like Oreca,SG Formula,Tech1.... what about the likes Bianchi,Vernay,Vergne,Pic...

Given that there will be no F1 GP again, no Pau, no DTM round, no WTCC round and no rounds in plenty of other series, I'd say it doesn't matter where a few small largely irrelevant junior teams come from - I doubt the man on the street in France itself knows who ART are, let alone the rest (apart from Citroen, which is the WRC, a completely different kettle of fish - and a series where they're moving the French round away from its traditional home too)

And the drivers? There probably won't be any in F1, and that's the most important series. Of the up-and-coming drivers, only Bianchi has a good chance of making it in the next couple of years. Even Grosjean who drove this year was born in Switzerland. With Renault on the verge of pulling out, it could be that there is no French involvement in F1 next year at all. Compare that to a few years ago when there were so many French drivers filling the ranks, along with Ligier/Prost, Larrousse, and Renault and Peugeot supplying engines

All France has right now of any real international significance is Le Mans. If you can't see that French motorsport is in serious trouble at the moment, you're blinkered

NaBUru38 · 30 Nov 2009, 23:56 (Ref:2592025)

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Originally Posted by META4

Maybe F3 Euroseries should look at the WTCC Week ends.

FIA already has the International Formula Masters. Maybe a more powerful formula series like Superleague would help the DTM.

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Originally Posted by jab

There probably won't be any [French driver] in F1, and that's the most important series. Of the up-and-coming drivers, only Bianchi has a good chance of making it in the next couple of years.

Reading Wikipedia's 2009 championship articles, I would add Charles Pic, Julien Jousse, Tristan Vautier and Jean Karl Vernay to that list. Five top drivers in dozens of formula championships is very little for a country like France, I agree.

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Originally Posted by jab

there will be no F1 GP again, no Pau, no DTM round, no WTCC round and no rounds in plenty of other series [...] All France has right now of any real international significance is Le Mans.

That's terrible indeed. I hope that this new track in Flins-Les Mureaux helps to solve that. About Pau, I would pick for 2011 the GT Sport package (GT Open, ex Euroseries 3000, F3 Open).

jab · 1 Dec 2009, 12:53 (Ref:2592249)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Reading Wikipedia's 2009 championship articles, I would add Charles Pic, Julien Jousse, Tristan Vautier and Jean Karl Vernay to that list. Five top drivers in dozens of formula championships is very little for a country like France, I agree.

I can't see any of those making it into F1 any time soon. There are too many good drivers in F1 already that will be hanging on to their seats

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That's terrible indeed. I hope that this new track in Flins-Les Mureaux helps to solve that. About Pau, I would pick for 2011 the GT Sport package (GT Open, ex Euroseries 3000, F3 Open).

Flins probably isn't going to happen. Too many protests

F3 Fan · 1 Dec 2009, 14:25 (Ref:2592284)

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Originally Posted by NaBUru38

FIA already has the International Formula Masters. Maybe a more powerful formula series like Superleague would help the DTM.

It seems that International Formula Masters is not going to happen in 2010... so maybe F3 can be with the WTCC, although I doubt it since the organizers of F3 Euro Series are the same as the DTM ones.

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The marketing rights for the successful junior category, the Formula 3 Euro Series, are with the DTM-organisation ITR. These rights were handed over to the ITR with immediate effect by the two governing bodies for motor sport in Germany and France, the DMSB (Deutscher Motor Sport Bund e.V.) and the FFSA. The ITR is taking care of the organisation, marketing, press and public relations.

jab · 1 Dec 2009, 21:04 (Ref:2592529)

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Originally Posted by jab

Flins probably isn't going to happen. Too many protests

*ahem*

NaBUru38 · 1 Dec 2009, 23:25 (Ref:2592584)

That's bad news for the French motorsport. One of Europe's most populated cities lacks any decent circuit.

sauber11 · 8 Dec 2009, 20:58 (Ref:2596302)

http://italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=25703&cat=7
Motopark confirms VW engines and close to signing Adrian Quaife-Hobbs.

jab · 9 Dec 2009, 13:54 (Ref:2596669)

Signings of Quaife-Hobbs and Matias Laine now confirmed

J.R · 9 Dec 2009, 21:23 (Ref:2596922)

Merhi confirmed with Mucke...

ivanalesi · 10 Dec 2009, 00:33 (Ref:2597034)

This is quite interesting, Merhi is Mercedes driver and he is quite well backed even w/o it, so may be next year there will be change!
I like his way of thinking, if he pulls this out, it will be truly remarkable.

sauber11 · 11 Dec 2009, 19:25 (Ref:2598089)

http://autosport.aeiou.pt/gen.pl?p=s....stories/79702
Felix Da Costa signs Motopark.

http://italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=25721&cat=7
Prema will try Daniel Juncandella and Henki Waldschmidt at Estoril.

F3 Fan · 13 Dec 2009, 15:42 (Ref:2598943)

Sims officially announced at ART today:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80557

ART: Bottas - Sims - Pla
Mucke: Mehri - Melker? - Munoz?
Signature: Vanthoor - Wittmann - Mortara?
Prema: Juncadella? - Waldschmidt?
SG: ???
Motopark: Da Costa - Laine - Quaife Hobbs
Jo Zeller: ?
Kolles & Heinz: Dusseldorp?
HBR: ?

Almost 10 drivers already confirmed for 2010... vs maybe 2-3 in GP3...

Rf1 Fan · 13 Dec 2009, 16:02 (Ref:2598949)

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Originally Posted by F3 Fan

Sims officially announced at ART today:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80557

ART: Bottas - Sims - Pla
Mucke: Mehri - Melker? - Munoz?
Signature: Vanthoor - Wittmann - Mortara?
Prema: Juncadella? - Waldschmidt?
SG: ???
Motopark: Da Costa - Laine - Quaife Hobbs
Jo Zeller: ?
Kolles & Heinz: Dusseldorp?
HBR: ?

Almost 10 drivers already confirmed for 2010... vs maybe 2-3 in GP3...

It doesn't mean anything,with these drivers Muecke line-up seems to be very deep compared to Motopark and Signature line-up.

They will have a stronger line-up in GP3 imo.I would see: Hegwald,Christensen,Schelariu

sauber11 · 13 Dec 2009, 16:49 (Ref:2598970)

+Tambay , maybe Cecotto jr. , Guttierez , Rossi, Dean Smith,Huertas...
The are all just waiting for testing to evaluate their options.

In fact , many drivers just stayed here for one more season - so the true one who already preferred F3 to GP3 are Pla and Juncandella(if he signs).
Motopark boys also dont counts because they also stayed with the team just in another series(like Trummer and Varthaug in gp3). So right now its equal.

F3 Fan · 13 Dec 2009, 17:19 (Ref:2598980)

This being my personal opinion, I wouldn't compare the likes of Bottas, Sims, Mehri, Vanthoor, Mortara etc... to drivers like Sechelariu or Tambay who although he was with THE best Team didn't even score 1 point in 2009....
Also regarding the other drivers you mention, Cecotto and Rossi are more likely to do GP2 unless they don't have the budget I guess.

I'm not saying that GP3 won't find drivers but just looking at facts: the number of F3 announced or signed drivers compared to GP3 is higher at the moment...unless there are many we don't know about.

Shaddix · 13 Dec 2009, 17:24 (Ref:2598982)

Sims and Bottas will be the drivers to beat this season, I'm looking forward to it!

Rf1 Fan · 13 Dec 2009, 17:28 (Ref:2598987)

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Originally Posted by F3 Fan

This being my personal opinion, I wouldn't compare the likes of Bottas, Sims, Mehri, Vanthoor, Mortara etc... to drivers like Sechelariu or Tambay who although he was with THE best Team didn't even score 1 point in 2009....
Also regarding the other drivers you mention, Cecotto and Rossi are more likely to do GP2 unless they don't have the budget I guess.

I'm not saying that GP3 won't find drivers but just looking at facts: the number of F3 announced or signed drivers compared to GP3 is higher at the moment...unless there are many we don't know about.

I just want to tell that there will be a lot of announcement after ART,Signature,Mucke and GP2 silly season announcement.

Imo the drivers are just waiting that,if there is no seat at ART,Mucke,Signature or in GP2 they will go to GP3 ,nothing more.

Just like last winter with Bruno Senna in GP2.

Shaddix · 14 Dec 2009, 19:32 (Ref:2599639)

someone on tbk told that a reliable source heard that SG is going to quit f3

Rf1 Fan · 14 Dec 2009, 19:45 (Ref:2599654)

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Originally Posted by Shaddix

someone on tbk told that a reliable source heard that SG is going to quit f3

I heard the same.
They will only run 4 FR2.0 and 2 FR3.5 series

Rf1 Fan · 14 Dec 2009, 20:15 (Ref:2599665)

Carlos Munoz with Mucke .

The third seat is between:
Melker,Monien,Christensen.

brucelok2003 · 14 Dec 2009, 23:17 (Ref:2599781)

Any new teams to join the series?

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