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Well this is a breath of fresh air, a compromise that is better than either of the alternatives, roll on 2014.
Like many of you I'd like to see the variety of I4 v's V6 (maybe even V's V8) but it's the cost that's stopped that. My guess at what the final regs will look like:
I'd expect the engines to run very lean, even stratified charge, so no spitting flames like in the 80's, shame that! The good news is we'll no longer have an engine freeze, I hated the idea of the pinnacle of motorsport having engines that couldn't be refined or developed, bring it on. |
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Hopefully it'll bring back other manufacturers, Toyota, Honda, BMW; I'm looking at you.
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I was lucky enough to get a draft copy of the finalised 2013 engine regs (I4) and believe me when I say the FIA had nailed everything down, even the bell-housing bolt pattern was layed out in X, Y and Z!.......I completley agree with Crazy_Pigal.......the FIA will nail everything down.......forget about having multiple engine choice configurations, this will just burn development costs in the finding of which route is best. |
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While I think that having an open engine configuration is crazy because of development costs, I do think that this was an oportunity where they could have had a 4 or 6 depending on what the team wanted. There could be a weight penalty for the extra cylinders (as was the case in MotoGP when there were 5,4 and tripples).
This would allow manufacturers like Renault to have more of a link with their road cars while Ferrari can make high revving sixes. I don't think this would lead to a huge cost or performance disparity. I don't understand how people can complain about the idea of turbo v6s. The older generation talk about much better formula 1 was when they were younger and the teams were running 1.5l turbo 4s and 6s. So is that everyone now saying that really we have the best format for F1 right now? I think the old cars also sounded amazing too. If the FIA could just stop pandering to the top teams and cut back on the above body aero (rather than banning exhaust blown diffusers that I can't see harms overtaking as much) then nobody could complain at all. Last edited by browney; 23 Jun 2011 at 21:55. |
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Browney, the racing that F1 has delivered this year has been as good if not better (I'd go with better) than anything that we have ever had in the past. You are looking at Monza (1 GP) in the late 60s and early 70s for a comparison.
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Wonder if Honda will be allowed to use the same motor they did in '88? :P
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It's so. And it's probably a good job really, because someone really clever might think that even four cylinders are far too many.
The new engines will probably be just as restricted in their architecture as the current V8s are. Only remains to be seen what exactly it is that the exhaust gases are allowed to power, and how that power can be used. |
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Just the other day I caught myself thinking "F1 should adopt 2.0L twin turbo V6's for their new gen cars."
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With IndyCar using a 2.2L V6 twin turbo and F1 going down a very similar route, that sort of knocks on the head the 1.6L turbo Global Racing Engine proposed by the FIA.
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Isn't indy using 2.5 liter v6. If so how will bernie or whoever is in charge feel if the Indy cars are just flat out faster? Of course the knuckle heads in charge try to limit power and speed there more than anything. I could get into F1 v6tt. That's solid. Afterall how awesome has LeMans been with the turbo monster V6 lmp cars been?
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Whilst maybe it wouldnt fit in with the cost reduction strategy i would like to see a very simple engine rule structure: - specify a (quite stringent) maximum fuel usage limit and then leave the teams to it.
Being an engineer by trade I dont like to see layout, size, rev limit etc specified as it stifles creativity and innovation. An open configuration would attract more manufacturers i feel and perhaps attract some leading edge technology. It would tick the green box too and could feed into real world product development at a time that efficiency and economy are key drivers. |
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Sorry Adam43 I agree it was a bit obscure:
Browney said in post #30 "So is that everyone now saying that really we have the best format for F1 right now?" I responded that yes I thought the format was as good as anything we have ever had from a racing point of view. The only one I care about! |
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Be a damn good idea if F1 adopted exactly the same engine regs, for IndyCar and F1! However Knighty gave us a glimpse "I was lucky enough to get a draft copy of the finalised 2013 engine regs (I4) and believe me when I say the FIA had nailed everything down, even the bell-housing bolt pattern was layed out in X, Y and Z!.......I completley agree with Crazy_Pigal.......the FIA will nail everything down.......forget about having multiple engine choice configurations, this will just burn development costs in the finding of which route is best." Closed shop?? |
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Apparently, some circuits will switch to Indy cars if F1 introduces its 'green' engines.
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And I used to dream of seeing F1 cars roar with V12s when I was growing up :/
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