HRT/Toll-HSV friendship over already???

billy bigtime · 2 Apr 2006, 07:20 (Ref:1567522)

After todays race, Todd has questioned Garth's tactics while passing him, with Skaife suggesting Garth may have brake tested Todd at the finish. Is this the end of the "love fest" already?

**GTRMagic** · 2 Apr 2006, 07:36 (Ref:1567535)

No, because Big Daddy "Happy Tom" will knock their heads together

Razor · 2 Apr 2006, 07:45 (Ref:1567542)

But rember GTR, Big Bad Tom only control the mechanicals, Skaife and the John and Margret Kelly still own HRT and Toll/HSVDT respictivly

TSR · 2 Apr 2006, 08:00 (Ref:1567551)

Should not of happen in the first place, it ie very unfair for the the sake of good sportsman ship.

Different rules for Holden different for Ford.

**GTRMagic** · 2 Apr 2006, 08:08 (Ref:1567565)

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Originally Posted by Greg Barton

But rember GTR, Big Bad Tom only control the mechanicals, Skaife and the John and Margret Kelly still own HRT and Toll/HSVDT respictivly

A driver is a mechanical piece too.. able to be bolted in, and replaced, in the blink of an eye....

TSR · 2 Apr 2006, 08:35 (Ref:1567595)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

A driver is a mechanical piece too.. able to be bolted in, and replaced, in the blink of an eye....

Exept for Mr Potato Head for this weekend

peckstar · 2 Apr 2006, 08:49 (Ref:1567609)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

A driver is a mechanical piece too.. able to be bolted in, and replaced, in the blink of an eye....

so how is marcos ambrose's replacement going and how is the team going, still front runners or are they reduced to competiting for a spot in the top 10

**GTRMagic** · 2 Apr 2006, 09:00 (Ref:1567622)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

so how is marcos ambrose's replacement going and how is the team going, still front runners or are they reduced to competiting for a spot in the top 10

In order:
Very badly, 3 wrecks and a couple of close calls in 5 races
Not as special as they usually are, 2nd car is consistent not competitive
The 2nd car is always a shot at the top 10, but the driver has rarely demonstrated on the blue side of the fence that he can lead from the front and pull away without the help of his former teammate...

TSR · 2 Apr 2006, 09:02 (Ref:1567623)

How would uncle TOM's wallet be feeling now he has taking over the reins

peckstar · 2 Apr 2006, 09:06 (Ref:1567627)

but i was under the impression that SBR craeted a car that good that any mug could drive them well. so far it appears the ex driver had more of a say in it than he was given credit for

Last year the 2nd driver was racing for wins this year its top 10's

On the todd garth thing

hasnt the precedent been set for brake testing after the podium at indy a couple of year ago
"Car #1, Marcos Ambrose, was found to be in breach of Rules, careless driving in that he failed to exercise reasonable care immediately after crossing the control line at the end of Race 1; fined $10,000"

James63 · 2 Apr 2006, 09:34 (Ref:1567660)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

but i was under the impression that SBR craeted a car that good that any mug could drive them well. so far it appears the ex driver had more of a say in it than he was given credit for

Hmm yes....I recall many a holden fan saying..."he's only good because of the car he is in"

**GTRMagic** · 2 Apr 2006, 09:36 (Ref:1567663)

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Originally Posted by James63

Hmm yes....I recall many a holden fan saying..."he's only good because of the car he is in"

Its true in part. If Ambrose started 2003 in for example a WPS BA, he would have been an also ran too.

6.213km · 2 Apr 2006, 09:49 (Ref:1567675)

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Originally Posted by TSR

Should not of happen in the first place, it ie very unfair for the the sake of good sportsman ship.

Different rules for Holden different for Ford.

The rules are no different for Holden or Ford..

Should Prodrive, or Mr Dane wish to form a technical allegance with another Ford team, then they also can be grouped and have the benefit of having four cars on the track..... but then ... all you ford blokes thought it was good HRT & HSVDT were grouped before didn't you... JUSTICE i seem to remember it was called.... hmmmm.

**GTRMagic** · 2 Apr 2006, 09:58 (Ref:1567682)

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Originally Posted by 6.213km

The rules are no different for Holden or Ford..

Should Prodrive, or Mr Dane wish to form a technical allegance with another Ford team, then they also can be grouped and have the benefit of having four cars on the track..... but then ... all you ford blokes thought it was good HRT & HSVDT were grouped before didn't you... JUSTICE i seem to remember it was called.... hmmmm.

Ford is sort of doing it, with their SBRE engine program...

I like the sound of carving up the Ford/prodrive millions to beef up the resources of SBR & 888 however

Henry · 2 Apr 2006, 10:25 (Ref:1567706)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Its true in part. If Ambrose started 2003 in for example a WPS BA, he would have been an also ran too.

Still, you'd reckon it would be by as much as some of the poor saps they've saddled with WPS BA's...

I think the category will miss Ambrose, not only for the speed he seemed to generate from the SBR car, or his focus, but also the mental game he played, cracking Skaife in 03, and keeping his foot on his throat through 2004. Skaifey's on the up and up, and I don't think there's another guy in the field who could get over the top of him like Marcos did.

BigDaddy · 2 Apr 2006, 10:36 (Ref:1567716)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

No, because Big Daddy "Happy Tom" will knock their heads together

Who's heads am I knocking together?

promax · 2 Apr 2006, 11:13 (Ref:1567746)

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Originally Posted by TSR

Exept for Mr Potato Head for this weekend

*yawn* change the record

RotorFan · 2 Apr 2006, 11:48 (Ref:1567771)

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Originally Posted by Henry

keeping his foot on his throat through 2004. Skaifey's on the up and up, and I don't think there's another guy in the field who could get over the top of him like Marcos did.

Thats inappropriate in any thread, let alone this one. It's also inaccurate.

Anyway... apparently Garth actually went ahead of Todd after the finish to brake test him. Thats worse than what Ambrose did I think - it was "more" premeditated. I think Garth should be fined for that nonsense. If not for his folly on the straight then the aftermath for sure.

This is not what HR/HSV need.

Henry · 2 Apr 2006, 12:24 (Ref:1567797)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

Thats inappropriate in any thread, let alone this one. It's also inaccurate.

Anyway... apparently Garth actually went ahead of Todd after the finish to brake test him. Thats worse than what Ambrose did I think - it was "more" premeditated. I think Garth should be fined for that nonsense. If not for his folly on the straight then the aftermath for sure.

This is not what HR/HSV need.

Apologies for offending you with a poorly-worded phrase... hopefully the mod's will consider removing it to save further offense.

davester · 2 Apr 2006, 13:40 (Ref:1567885)

Maybe it was merely Garth's reaction to Todd's bump and run move for position during the race. I only saw it once, it was subtle, but enough.

Vee8 · 2 Apr 2006, 22:18 (Ref:1568559)

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Originally Posted by davester

Maybe it was merely Garth's reaction to Todd's bump and run move for position during the race. I only saw it once, it was subtle, but enough.

There seems to be a fair bit of dispute about who bumped who in the run along the home straight, but either way it didn't look illegal.

Brake testing is illegal no matter what the circumstances and anyone proven to have done so should rightly be pinged in the hip pocket (given this was a non-points round).

Vanilla Dice · 3 Apr 2006, 00:04 (Ref:1568615)

In my view, Garth is the quickest of the 4 factory drivers, with Todd not far behind, with Mark quick yet still inconsistent, and Rick dependent on the pace of his teammate...

If you wanted to play hare and tortoise.. the cars would be swapped a little.. it would be T.Kelly/G.Tander and R.Kelly/M.Skaife. Both would go like the clappers, but both would not finish.

billy bigtime · 6 Apr 2006, 04:19 (Ref:1571901)

I reckon there is more to this story. I think Uncle Tom has told Garth that he is the backup if HRT fail, and Garth has told Tom "to have sex and travel". Garth was showing he will not be #3 in this Walkinshaw exercise.

RotorFan · 21 Apr 2006, 05:34 (Ref:1590469)

Not sure if this was mentioned elsewhere:

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In a matter carried over from the Grand Prix meeting, Garth Tander was fined $5000 for brake-testing fellow Holden driver Todd Kelly during the parade lap of the final race

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0...-23770,00.html

stmorri · 21 Apr 2006, 09:41 (Ref:1590646)

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Originally Posted by RotorFan

Thats inappropriate in any thread, let alone this one. It's also inaccurate.

Anyway... apparently Garth actually went ahead of Todd after the finish to brake test him. Thats worse than what Ambrose did I think - it was "more" premeditated. I think Garth should be fined for that nonsense. If not for his folly on the straight then the aftermath for sure.

This is not what HR/HSV need.

You're probably right RotorFan but SBR, 888 and FPR need it!

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