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26 Nov 2011, 18:56 (Ref:2991664) | #1 | |
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Careers that declined or could have had more titles?
I can think of Damon Hill as an example as he must have had brain fade when he decided to join Arrows after rejecting McLaren and Ferrari. Had he stayed with Williams he probably would have won another title.
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26 Nov 2011, 19:12 (Ref:2991670) | #2 | |
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In some ways Damon Hill was fortunate to get one title, considering he didn't race an F1 car 'til he was 31. I'd nominate Raikkonen as someone who perhaps got fewer titles than his talent merited. It could go the same way for Hamilton, but I hope not.
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26 Nov 2011, 19:14 (Ref:2991671) | #3 | ||
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Hakkinen might have won more. There's people like Dan Gurney and Jackie Stewart.
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26 Nov 2011, 19:26 (Ref:2991678) | #4 | |
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True. If we're talking drivers who never won the title, then surely Stirling Moss is surely the ultimate. As Nigel Roebuck says, the fact that Stirling Moss never became champion casts a shadow over the championship more than it does him.
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14 Dec 2011, 08:38 (Ref:2999579) | #5 | |
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Ah yes I completely forgot about Sir Stirling he definitely deserved to a win a championship. That is a really good quote from Nigel Roebuck!
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26 Nov 2011, 19:15 (Ref:2991672) | #6 | |
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Didn't know Damon Hill was that age when he first drove an F1 car. In the same way as Hill, Raikkonen did miss out on the title a couple of times but I think Raikkonen won it very fortunately. Schumacher could possibly have had 8 maybe even 9 titles.
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Both he and Kimi 'deserved to finish ahead of Schumacher based on their performances that year. |
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Japan too, engine failure iirc.
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26 Nov 2011, 21:12 (Ref:2991709) | #12 | |
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I think both Alan Jones and Keke Rosberg might have been more successful if they had stayed on at Williams. Jones was still very strong when he left at the end of 1981, had he stayed on for 1982 he might have taken the title(which Keke ended up getting).
Likewise with Keke. He and Nigel seemed to get on better - hell, certainly better than Piquet and Mansell! Not that I think he and Prost didn't get along, but Prost was very established in the McLaren team by then. Plus, he seemed more used to the Williams car. He could have been in the title hunt for 1986 and 1987. |
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Good thread, similar to the old chestnut that gets revived now and again 'drivers who never fulfilled their potential'
I don't agree Kimi was mega in 2006 as he was largely unnoticeable that year as the car was pants but he was on ot from 02-05 that's for sure. The Kimi JPM combo never really worked either, as both drivers were extremely headstrong drivers, 'their own man' and not the best team players imo.... Both would've benefitted from a DC type guy in the other car and things would've been very different. Kimi is definitely a driver who had at least 3 titles in him if the cards (cars?) had fallen right and for longer. The biggest example of careers that could've netted more is obviously Ayrton, buy we've all thrashed that one into the ground! Off the top of my head I would put forward the likes of Pironi, maybe Gilles, Alboreto (who was very very good early on...) Alesi as candidates who could've won at least one title had circumstances been different. |
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Can't agree at all with Damon Hill I'm afraid. He made the very most of the chance he got, allied to good but not exceptional talent. Also, the comment that he should have stayed with Williams is a red herring because Williams in fact fired him because they didn't think he was good enough - this followed on from 1995 where Williams had by far the best car but Hill couldn't get it done over Schumacher.
In terms of who coulda/shoulda; Jacques Villeneuve Emmerson Fittipaldi Both took strange career decisions in the prime of their careers. |
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Nigel Mansell?
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Juan Montoya. Lots of talent, should have got the title in 2003.
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Hill perhaps should've had patience and taken a year out on the sidelines like Prost. General discomfort that the reigning WC wasn't on the grid would've done his reputation no harm at all. He was unlucky to be in this period though. It's hard to see him thriving at Benetton for example.
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Thing is with Hill is that he never put any of his teammates away on speed and. I think he was lucky that DC was replaced with JV for 96 otherwise he prob wouldn't have got the title.
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I think that you're right. The '96 Mclaren was a right lemon and Hakkinen was the firm Mclaren favourite so it's hard to see DC come to terms with him. If he had stayed at Williams he would've had great momentum to have a tilt at the '96 title. Yes, you can Coulthard to the list.
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