Delta Wing Discussion ONLY

[GT6]

has the delta wing arrived at le mans for the test day yet?

[miatanut]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

Miatanut, to clarify: I am not necessarily against limiting the fuel consumption and/or any other consumable, but I do think there are fairer means to keep the speeds under control. Would not it be better to limit certain performance parameters? As for Formula 1 I would like to continue the debate/discussion we had in the thread Formula One: The Next Generation. What would you like to see? earlier this month.

I thought that thread went dormant. I see it's back. I'll get back there when I have a moment for a decent response.

Originally Posted by Pingguest

Hence, qualifying will not be about where is should about: pure speed and driving at the very limit of the car. In qualifying strategy might become even more important than it currently is in Formula 1.

Different fans have different things they like. It's no secret that technical development is the top of my list. After that, I enjoy seeing teams winning through strategy rather than outright speed. I think it adds more to the race, and I don't see any problem with strategy coming into qualifying as well.

Originally Posted by Pingguest

If fuel consumption is to be limited, fairness would require the abolition of the Safety Car. Without a Safety Car being deployed driver and team could decide to drive aggressively, at a higher pace and hence burn more fuel than they should on average to build up a lead in first stage of the race and drive at a lower pace, save fuel and try to preserve as much as possible of their lead later on and thereby win the race. However, as soon as a Safety Car is being deployed, that strategy proves to be very unfortunate: the driver and his team have not only consumed a lot of fuel, but also lost their lead. Hence, they will be a sitting duck waiting to be passed by those with a different strategy and more luck.
To anticipate to this possible situation teams could decide to run more or less the same strategy: keep as much fuel for later part of the race as possible. How entertaining will that be? And what will be left of the freedom and diversity regarding race strategy?

We need the safety car for safety. If fuel consumption behind a safety car is about 1/3 what it is normally, then the fuel allocation for safety car laps would be 1/3 of normal and the sanctioning body posts the official number of safety car laps, so everybody is on the same page, and everybody does their calculations so they know what they have left. It adds another element to post race tech, determining how much fuel is left at the end, but that's not insurmountable. There would be the occasional bummer when the winner was not the winner because they used a little more fuel than allowed. Maybe for the sake of the fans, the winner stays the winner and gets shorted that amount at the next race, and only gets the win taken away at the last race of the year.

[Flyin Ryan]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

If fuel consumption is to be limited, fairness would require the abolition of the Safety Car.

Since when did fairness play a role in auto racing?

[joeb]

Originally Posted by GT6

has the delta wing arrived at le mans for the test day yet?

I don't know, but there are pictures of the teams unloading appearing in a few spots including these from EI. Maybe Thursday's pictures will include one of the DW.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Flyin Ryan

Since when did fairness play a role in auto racing?

It's always been about having the edge over the other guy.

[The Badger]

Send out 3 safety cars , let them catch up to the 1st safety car parade and bring in the other 2 safety cars ..... then you have one big bunch up line , just like the start .

No one looses a lap , odd cars speeding recieve a penalty . How does that sound ?

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Send out 3 safety cars , let them catch up to the 1st safety car parade and bring in the other 2 safety cars ..... then you have one big bunch up line , just like the start .

No one looses a lap , odd cars speeding recieve a penalty . How does that sound ?

Off topic comment alert I have to type this or my brain will explode! If the leader get picked up by the 3rd SC and the 2nd-placed car by the 1st, and then the 2nd and 3rd SCs allow the field to bunch up behind the 1st, then you've given the leader more than 2 additional min or so of advantage once the green flag drops. I'm thinking the safer solution in terms of cars slowing down and the yellow period being fair for everyone is Code 60 like at the Dubai 24h. Thanks for reading, you've been a wonderful audience. Don't forget to try the veal and tip your waitress. We now return you to the topic

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Send out 3 safety cars , let them catch up to the 1st safety car parade and bring in the other 2 safety cars ..... then you have one big bunch up line , just like the start .

No one looses a lap , odd cars speeding recieve a penalty . How does that sound ?

That's a lot of safety cars but it could work.

[Truckosaurus]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Code 60 like at the Dubai 24h.

I've seen the Code 60 work very well at the FunCup Spa 25hrs, which like LM is a lengthy track with plenty of entries. Might be too slow for LMP cars, it would have to be Code100 or Code150

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Let everyone catch up to the SC with the leader?

One advantage of safety cars is that it not only slows the field down, it also bunches it up so that you have a train of cars going by and then a period of clear track where people can work. With multiple safety cars some of that advantage is lost, might as well use Code 60 then.

[joeb]

I believe there are other threads that exist to discuss the finer points of full course cautions, so lets keep this thread about the DeltaWing shall we?

[MJones94]

Originally Posted by joeb

I believe there are other threads that exist to discuss the finer points of full course cautions, so lets keep this thread about the DeltaWing shall we?

Quite, I thought I clicked on the wrong thread after reading the above comments.

[nobster]

Originally Posted by Truckosaurus

I've seen the Code 60 work very well at the FunCup Spa 25hrs, which like LM is a lengthy track with plenty of entries. Might be too slow for LMP cars, it would have to be Code100 or Code150

I have raced in the Seat Ibiza diesel endurance cup in Holland and we used the code 60 there as well. It worked very well but I'm affraid it is too slow for the Le Mans class cars.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by GT6

has the delta wing arrived at le mans for the test day yet?

Has it....?

[HJJ]

Nice background article.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/racing/m...nt-and-testing

[gwyllion]

Originally Posted by GT6

has the delta wing arrived at le mans for the test day yet?

Yes, they are there.

[Truckosaurus]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Yes, they are there.

Needs more Black!

[Simmi]

Nice suitably narrow pit there for the DW.

I'd wondered about this. I'm assuming that the 56th entry gets the 56th pit? Or does it go into the rotation. It might be tough to squeeze a lot of alternative technology/big team manpower into those small pits in the future.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

The 1st SC slows to let the 2nd and 3rd SC catch up , then they leave the course , leaving only 1 SC and the whole field in tow .

Im not sure if there is a perfect solution , but the one at presant certainly isnt fair .

Does LM employ 2 or 3 SC ?

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

That's a lot of safety cars but it could work.

I know they have 2 SC , possibily 3 , not sure though ?

[vincegail]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Originally Posted by Truckosaurus

Needs more Black!

Yes! Those Nissan letters are way too big/white!

Looking forward to see it race and go the distance.

Not looking forward at all to the Nissan media assault.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by The Badger

I know they have 2 SC , possibily 3 , not sure though ?

3 last year.

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Yes, they are there.

A Nissan six-wheeler?

Actually it looks like a lizard doing push-ups.

[The Badger]

They wont get much milage outta those little wheels !!!

[m1fcf]

Originally Posted by gwyllion

Yes, they are there.

I dare someone to go up and tell one of the mechanics that they have spelt NISSAN wrong....