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View Poll Results: Which driver is going to win the VASC Driver’s Championship In 2018?
#1 Jamie Whincup RBHRT Holden 6 14.63%
#2 Scott Pye WAU Holden 1 2.44%
#5 Mark Winterbottom Tickford Ford 0 0%
#6 Cameron Waters Tickford Ford 1 2.44%
#7 Andre Heimgartner NisMoAu Nissan 0 0%
#8 Nick Percat BJR Holden 0 0%
#9 David Reynolds Erebus Holden 1 2.44%
#12 Fabian Coulthard DJRTP Ford 1 2.44%
#14 Tim Slade BJR Holden 0 0%
#15 Rick Kelly NisMoAu Nissan 0 0%
#17 Scott McLaughlin DJRTP Ford 22 53.66%
#18 Lee Holdsworth Team18 Holden 0 0%
#19 Jack Le Brocq Tekno Holden 0 0%
#21 Tim Blanchard TBR Holden 0 0%
#23 Michael Caruso NisMoAu Nissan 0 0%
#25 James Courtney WAU Holden 1 2.44%
#33 Garth Tander GRM Holden 0 0%
#34 James Golding GRM Holden 0 0%
#35 Todd Hazelwood MSR Ford 0 0%
#55 Chaz Mostert Tickford Ford 4 9.76%
#56 Richie Stanaway Tickford Ford 1 2.44%
#78 Simona de Silvestro NisMoAu Nissan 0 0%
#97 Shane van Gisbergen RBHRT Holden 2 4.88%
#99 Anton de Pasquale Erebus Holden 1 2.44%
#230 Will Davison 23RED Ford 0 0%
#888 Craig Lowndes ALR Holden 0 0%
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Old 22 Jun 2017, 13:21 (Ref:3746046)   #476
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Blanchard is off contract as well, so it's quite possible that Macauley could take his seat if he steps aside like he suggested he might do at the end of this year.
Given the Blanchard's own the #21 REC, he's never off contract if he wants to keep driving, same with Jason Bright

Makes you wonder why more drivers haven't invested in an REC of their own?
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Old 22 Jun 2017, 21:36 (Ref:3746156)   #477
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Owning a REC also means you need to find the funding to service it. If not, it becomes a fairly expensive asset of no use, witness the one purchased by the Fiore family that was handed in a few years ago.
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Old 22 Jun 2017, 23:59 (Ref:3746165)   #478
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Given the Blanchard's own the #21 REC, he's never off contract if he wants to keep driving, same with Jason Bright

Makes you wonder why more drivers haven't invested in an REC of their own?
A great way of extending your career well past the use by date.

However, ideally drivers should not be allowed to own REC's.
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Old 23 Jun 2017, 06:12 (Ref:3746183)   #479
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Given the Blanchard's own the #21 REC, he's never off contract if he wants to keep driving, same with Jason Bright

Makes you wonder why more drivers haven't invested in an REC of their own?
He may never be off contract but he still has to find a team to support him
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Old 29 Jun 2017, 00:17 (Ref:3747698)   #480
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From THIS in April from James Phelps in the Telegraph:
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FORD will replace the iconic Falcon in next year’s Supercars championship with the Mustang.
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Prodrive Racing Australia has committed to running the Falcon FGX package in Supercars next year as it continues to assess its options for 2019 and beyond.
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Old 29 Jun 2017, 00:53 (Ref:3747701)   #481
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From THIS in April from James Phelps in the Telegraph:


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But Phelp's article was nothing but shotgun journalism in the first place with no firm basis but just him firing off rounds in every direction hoping to hit the golden goose.

It'd be nice to see the Mustang but it aint happening til 2019 at the earliest and yet the Ford (and Nissan) teams still roll around in a car that isn't even sold anymore, which shows how irrelevant the category is becoming to manufacturers.
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Old 29 Jun 2017, 01:16 (Ref:3747703)   #482
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Depending on the uptake of the new Commodore bodywork, you could add Holden to that list, too.

I think the catagory needs to take the lead on this, and re-write some rules.

Firstly, they need to do away with relying upon the manufacturer to give the say-so to running a certain bodyshape. The catagory, in conjuction with the teams, should ultimately decide what shapes to use, if the manufacturer doesn't have any input.

We already have Merc, Nissan, GM and Ford engines, so on the basis of that if it's in the best interests of the fans and catagory, then perhaps the catagory should give the go-ahead for PRA and DJRTP to run the Mustang, regardless of what Ford wants to do.

If Betty wants to go back to running Mercs, they're homologated, she's got everything there to run them, and she too, should be allowed to do it, regardless of MB.

The catagory can't rely on manufacturer input anymore. What's going to happen if all manufacturers decide not to grant the teams permission to use their bodyshapes? Things need to change!
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Old 29 Jun 2017, 02:24 (Ref:3747710)   #483
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Without steering the discussion too far off topic, what is the purpose of that rule where you need manufacturers blessings? And why is it still in play? And apologies if this has been done already.
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Old 29 Jun 2017, 02:34 (Ref:3747712)   #484
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I believe it's to do with protecting intellectual property.
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OK. I was wondering if it had to do with rewarding/protecting manufacturers back in the day (Ford and Holden) for supporting the series and stopping teams from putting in body shapes or car types that weren't supported as some kind of hook to get manufacturers officially involved?
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Old 29 Jun 2017, 03:36 (Ref:3747722)   #486
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While next year might be too soon, surely 2019 will have to be current body shapes only.

If a largely amateur backyard sport could make the change in 1980 it is a sad reflection on the development of the sport that the professional multi-million dollar operations of today Supercar's cannot.
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Depending on the uptake of the new Commodore bodywork, you could add Holden to that list, too.

I think the catagory needs to take the lead on this, and re-write some rules.

Firstly, they need to do away with relying upon the manufacturer to give the say-so to running a certain bodyshape. The catagory, in conjuction with the teams, should ultimately decide what shapes to use, if the manufacturer doesn't have any input.

We already have Merc, Nissan, GM and Ford engines, so on the basis of that if it's in the best interests of the fans and catagory, then perhaps the catagory should give the go-ahead for PRA and DJRTP to run the Mustang, regardless of what Ford wants to do.

If Betty wants to go back to running Mercs, they're homologated, she's got everything there to run them, and she too, should be allowed to do it, regardless of MB.

The catagory can't rely on manufacturer input anymore. What's going to happen if all manufacturers decide not to grant the teams permission to use their bodyshapes? Things need to change!
That might be ok for Sports Sedans, but what happens if a manufacturer doesn't want their 'brand' or bodyshape in a high level series? Presumebly legal action might be what follows?

I think Sports Sedans has skated on thin ice below the radar on this topic for a while..
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That might be ok for Sports Sedans, but what happens if a manufacturer doesn't want their 'brand' or bodyshape in a high level series? Presumebly legal action might be what follows?

I think Sports Sedans has skated on thin ice below the radar on this topic for a while..
And in the 120 years of the sport how many manufacturers have taken this legal action you speak of?
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And in the 120 years of the sport how many manufacturers have taken this legal action you speak of?
Volvo?
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And in the 120 years of the sport how many manufacturers have taken this legal action you speak of?
Until the last 20-odd years, touring car racing had been mainly production car derived.

In Supercars case we are talking about taking purpose built racing chassis, and cloaking a bodyshape over the top that looks something like a road-going model, and passing it off as a Ford Mustang or a Nissan Altima. If the manufacturer who produces the road car is not in favour of being associated with this, i'm sure they would have a good case in court.

But not allowing a series to use manufacturers names has happened before, the V8STAR series that tried to take on DTM in the early 2000s in Germany, had cars that used bodyshapes of Jaguars, BMWs, Audi's etc... however the cars raced as unbranded models (eg..cars were referred to as "Zakspeed" or "Irmscher", the teams running them) as the manufacturers refused to be associated with the series.
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Body shapes are patented and or copyrighted so the manufacturers could still even stop that if they wished to.

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They can stop you making copies and selling them as such, refer to some of the court cases around selling bodies for speedway cars, but they can't stop you converting or modifying a road car for racing.

I am aware of any action against builders of sport sedans by the manufacturers of the car the sport sedan pretends to represent. Maybe the higher profile of Supercars could attract some negative reaction from some manufacturers.

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but they can't stop you converting or modifying a road car for racing.
Agree, but any Supercars version of a car would have nothing to do with the road car other than the moulded body panels, hence why I don't see how this would work without the manufacturers approval, as the chance would be there for legal action, potentially against the series as well as the individual team.

I think Sports Sedans have only gotten away with it as for the last 20 years it hasn't been a major Australian category.
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I think Sports Sedans have only gotten away with it as for the last 20 years it hasn't been a major Australian category.
I think it is when you start to sell branded bodies without permission. Some legal action was taken several years ago.

But check out the price of these bodies. There would be some serious money to save if Supercars were serious about saving dollars.

http://www.fivestarbodies.com/store/...arent=123&pg=1
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But check out the price of these bodies. There would be some serious money to save if Supercars were serious about saving dollars.

http://www.fivestarbodies.com/store/...arent=123&pg=1
Wow, thats quite an eyeopener
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There's still some of the internal OEM bodywork in use on the CotF chassis, but most teams are receiving these 'in kind' from the manufacturer anyway.
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Will Simona be coming back in 2018?
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was a two year contract. Have you heard something?
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She has a 3 year contract with Nissan Motorsport so I don't see why not
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Homesick? Had a better offer?
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