[WEC] Porsche Prototype Discussion

[GT6]

The six wheeled F1 cars did rather stand out at the time

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by porman

Richard, I just wanted to say how much I enjoy your posts. You always provide a well thought-out idea/response and just happen to support Porsche.

A+ in my book.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Mal

To use your comparisons - if you strip away the liveries then a P1 Audi / Toyota will look far more different than any NASCAR, MotoGP or Powerboat.

Good point! It guess it seems odd to think that as close as they can look, they are probably more diverse than many other types of racing.

Richard

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

name me an era of motorsport in any category where anyone but the anoraks can seriously tell the difference between the cars.

Group B rallying. Audi Quattro S1, Ford RS200, Lancia Delta S4, MG Metro 6R4, Peugeot 205 T16 - not easy to get them confused! GT3 cars also are a fairly diverse looking bunch.

If you took the liveries off the LMP1 Audi and Toyota I'd struggle to tell the difference (but then I'm vary much a casual sportscar watcher) - I guess it's just a case of what you're more familiar with.

[Dario911]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Group B rallying. Audi Quattro S1, Ford RS200, Lancia Delta S4, MG Metro 6R4, Peugeot 205 T16 - not easy to get them confused! GT3 cars also are a fairly diverse looking bunch.

If you took the liveries off the LMP1 Audi and Toyota I'd struggle to tell the difference (but then I'm vary much a casual sportscar watcher) - I guess it's just a case of what you're more familiar with.

Differences are clear when you talk about car derived from production ones: rally cars, GTE and GT3, etc.
But if we talk about P1, F1, DP and all the "pure" racing cars, it becames hard to find clear differences for a not well trained observer.

[Mal]

We mustn't forget that P1 is only one class of several very diverse looking ones in the same race and most of the comparisons we are making are with cars were all the cars in the race are of the same type.

[wolfhound]

For those of you who have access there is an interesting article about why Porsche chose LMP for its top line motorsport return and not F1.

http://plus.autosport.com/premium/fe...e-for-porsche/
There appears to be no logical reason for a company like Porsche to choose F1 over sportscars especially given its heritage.

[TF110]

I can tell the difference between Toyota and Audi with my eyes closed. The noise!

[isynge]

Originally Posted by Gingers4Justice

Of course all P cars look the same...name me an era of motorsport in any category where anyone but the anoraks can seriously tell the difference between the cars. Even in pre-war sportscar races, I often use colour rather than shape to distinguish between cars.

I don't think Prototypes look too similar, they look different enough for me. I could easily tell you which prototype was which if you painted them all white...F1 fan as I am, I'm not sure I could do the same with them.

Group C in 1982 - okay the 956, Ford C100, Rondeau all took a similar approach (but still distinguishable), but chuck in the Sauber, Grid, and Kremer offerings and you've got more variety than you could wag a stick at, to say nothing of everything in between...

Just look at 2009 when Audi and Peugeot, approaching exactly the same regulatory environment, produced the 908 and R15, which nobody was ever in any danger of not differentiating. The big honking fin does blur things, especially to my eye with open cars, but with coupes I figure I can see the difference.

Okay, I'm probably an anorak wearer (was at Silverstone, one will certainly be packed for Spa), and I know 1982 is eons ago, but I figure there's scope to make things clear enough to relatively casual viewers, especially once you factor livery into the equation.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

For those of you who have access there is an interesting article about why Porsche chose LMP for its top line motorsport return and not F1.

http://plus.autosport.com/premium/fe...e-for-porsche/
There appears to be no logical reason for a company like Porsche to choose F1 over sportscars especially given its heritage.

Does it have new quotes vs. the free version or the original Autocar version?

[Starfish Primer]

Joe Saward made an entry in his blog:

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/...orsche-and-f1/

I like the next idea: “there is a lot of publicity around politics and tyres, but not so much about the engines and chassis”

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by deggis

Does it have new quotes vs. the free version or the original Autocar version?

It looks back at the situation in 2010 when Porsche made the decision to go with LMP1 rather than anything totally new. There were 3 possible options for an F1 program start a new team, buy an existing team, or supply engines.
The first 2 would have cost a fortune with no certainy of success looking at what happened to BMW, Toyota & Honda.
Engine supply would have been feasable budget wise but did not make sence as there was no input into regulations, no income from FOM and would not be party to the concorde agreement.
Other factors were the road relevance of the regulations, at the time inline 4 cylinder engines was the plan, the lack of freedom in the regs was also a factor.

When one looks at the reasons in 2010 they make even more sence now.

[Dario911]

Originally Posted by TF110

I can tell the difference between Toyota and Audi with my eyes closed. The noise!

Another two: headlamps, rear spoiler!

[Dario911]

Porsche if for Le Mans what Ferrari is for Formula 1.
It was obvious Porsche would have chosen Le Mans instead of F1!

[deggis]

One of these promo vids: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39yZaNEjM24

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Dario911

Another two: headlamps, rear spoiler!

You can tell that with your eyes closed?

[Mal]

You might like the Porsche ad on this website....

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/

[Dario911]

Originally Posted by rich07

You can tell that with your eyes closed?

Rear spoiler... maybe. Headlamps is effectively harder...

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Dario911

Rear spoiler... maybe. Headlamps is effectively harder...

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Mal

You might like the Porsche ad on this website....

http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/

If you meant the ad banner, it seems to show localized ads, so I'm not seeing it.

[CTD]

Originally Posted by deggis

If you meant the ad banner, it seems to show localized ads, so I'm not seeing it.

And not only Localized, if it's Google Ads, then it's personalized ads.

[Mal]

Originally Posted by CTD

And not only Localized, if it's Google Ads, then it's personalized ads.

They must think I am a potential Porsche buyers then! It was an ad showing historical clips from Le Mans each with its own slogan and the caption 'they said it couldn't be done' then finishing with 'mission 2014 were back'

It linked to a website - I will look for the link again tomorrow

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Mal

They must think I am a potential Porsche buyers then! It was an ad showing historical clips from Le Mans each with its own slogan and the caption 'they said it couldn't be done' then finishing with 'mission 2014 were back'

It linked to a website - I will look for the link again tomorrow

Don't bother http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....postcount=1489

[gustavobamba]

Will Porsche "follow" the design of Audi or Toyota?

The car will test (road test) pre Le Mans right??

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

Will Porsche "follow" the design of Audi or Toyota?

The car will test (road test) pre Le Mans right??

Unlikely, there were some rumours about a July shakedown.

[Spyderman]

Yes, I would place my bet on the shake-down being post Le Mans.