Shanghai race

alwayswatching · 18 Mar 2008, 16:56 (Ref:2155747)

There doesn't seem to be too much being said about this race, other than what was announced originally.

Anyone have any ideas or heard anymore about it?

It will be an interesting event I'd imagine and could be good for the Le Mans Series as a whole..........assuming there is a good field, so I was wondering how the ACO will attract Teams at the wrong end of the season to what could be an expensive fly away race?

deggis · 18 Mar 2008, 17:00 (Ref:2155749)

Looks like ACO is confident about this, even regarding the previous failure to establish Japan based LMS series...

Don't know what that "high commitment from teams" means. At least it means Peugeot won't be there. I think that is stupid not to give any championship points from this race.

jhansen · 18 Mar 2008, 17:00 (Ref:2155750)

Well to be fair, it is quite a ways off.

Satorian · 18 Mar 2008, 17:22 (Ref:2155763)

Quote:

Originally Posted by deggis

Looks like ACO is confident about this, even regarding the previous failure to establish Japan based LMS series...

JLMC was run by SERO, a Japanese organization, not the ACO. They just adopted the ACO rules. For all intents and purposes it was a self-responsible franchise, and when the ACO was supposed to take over for 2008 they didn't -- probably due to their plans for an all-Asian series.

isynge · 18 Mar 2008, 18:22 (Ref:2155815)

As JHansen says - it's a bit of a way aways to be getting too agitated about it yet!

One of the intriguing thoughts about it being non-championship is that it opens up the possibility of Peugeot running a hybrid power car, which wouldn't currently be allowed for under the rules.

It's also an opportunity for some one off commitments for some of the those who didn't get a full season entry, for example PiR have mentioned they're considering running their Pilbeam in Shanghai.

deggis · 18 Mar 2008, 18:58 (Ref:2155843)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satorian

JLMC was run by SERO, a Japanese organization, not the ACO. They just adopted the ACO rules. For all intents and purposes it was a self-responsible franchise, and when the ACO was supposed to take over for 2008 they didn't -- probably due to their plans for an all-Asian series.

Thanks for correcting, seems like I had misunderstood that.

The359 · 18 Mar 2008, 19:25 (Ref:2155864)

I recall the ACO's previous attempt at a one-off event in Japan, at Fuji in 1999. What sort of plans were there then for a Japanese/Asian championships?

Koulle · 18 Mar 2008, 20:30 (Ref:2155933)

What makes this race attractive to potential entries is the fact that the winners will get an automatic invitaion to Le Mans the following year.

It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

The359 · 18 Mar 2008, 20:54 (Ref:2155950)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koulle

What makes this race attractive to potential entries is the fact that the winners will get an automatic invitaion to Le Mans the following year.

It will be interesting to see how it turns out.

They did the same thing in 1998 for the first Petit Le Mans, 1999 for the Fuji 1000km, the Estoril 1000km for the ELMS in 2001, and the Le Mans 1000km in 2003 for the LMES.

minimangler · 18 Mar 2008, 21:50 (Ref:2156005)

They're giving away le mans entries- that'll guarantee a few entries.

bigsi · 18 Mar 2008, 23:45 (Ref:2156068)

Giving auto entries to Le Mans is the biggest draw to going to Shanghai

Not got any costs as of yet and as all the biggest teams will have entries pretty much guaranteed it will be the privateers who may make up most of the grid.

deggis · 19 Mar 2008, 20:34 (Ref:2156731)

Looks like Audi has interest to this race, to a question asking will Audi go to Shangai:

Dr. Ullrich: "Nothing is really defined yet but it is quite possible because it is a very important market for us…"

From endurance-info.com's interview (google translated version here).

Asa · 20 Mar 2008, 03:36 (Ref:2156900)

I think Audi will probably come because the China market is very important to them. They will want to showcase the car and diesel technology in China. It will be much cheaper to do the race than to do advertising.

nasdriv87 · 29 Apr 2008, 04:18 (Ref:2189780)

sorry guys for going to deep to find out this thread again...

but, i was on interlagos in last weekend 26/27/04/2008, watching a brazilian porsche cup here, near by antonio hermann and some others, when he said aloud about that shangai race...

"that race at Shangai is not going to happen anymore this year!!!"

isn't it really going to happen anymore, and ACO is looking for him to brought lms to brazil this year yet?!?!?!?

is that info real?!!??!?!?!?

minimangler · 29 Apr 2008, 16:46 (Ref:2190344)

Where's the news? It's not an LMS race, we know that.

brielga · 29 Apr 2008, 16:52 (Ref:2190348)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nasdriv87

sorry guys for going to deep to find out this thread again...

but, i was on interlagos in last weekend 26/27/04/2008, watching a brazilian porsche cup here, near by antonio hermann and some others, when he said aloud about that shangai race...

"that race at Shangai is not going to happen anymore this year!!!"

isn't it really going to happen anymore, and ACO is looking for him to brought lms to brazil this year yet?!?!?!?

is that info real?!!??!?!?!?

not true

alwayswatching · 1 May 2008, 01:04 (Ref:2191497)

OK, so does *ANYONE* have anything definative as to whether this race is happening or not?

The Badger · 1 May 2008, 01:24 (Ref:2191502)

Its on the LMS web site , so its happening as much as that says .

minimangler · 1 May 2008, 15:21 (Ref:2191948)

it's happening,
in shanghai
as a standalone.
there has never been any other plan.

why does everyone seem to think it's changed?!?!?

nasdriv87 · 30 May 2008, 03:34 (Ref:2215070)

just because it was changed to next year!!! read here!!!

"Une petite brève, mais d’importance, pour vous signaler que l’Automobile Club de l’Ouest a annoncé dans un communiqué de presse le report de la course de Shanghai, prévue initialement pour la fin de la saison 2008. Annoncée il y a quelques mois par l’ACO, en partenariat avec la société chinoise S2M, l’épreuve devait être la première en Chine sous le label Le Mans. Certaines équipes avaient déclaré leur souhait d'y participer, mais l’ACO explique ce report pour des « raisons de contexte économique"

http://www.endurance-info.com/articl...d=5703&thold=0

minimangler · 30 May 2008, 17:08 (Ref:2215437)

Makes sense. But it ain't in Brazil.

Lam Pak · 1 Jun 2008, 11:25 (Ref:2216525)

as more companies sell or make more products and services in china all the championship have to head here and for all main carmakers, China is seen as a key prize in a world of stagnating sales and falling profits and Lemans car manufactures have to come here. but the organizer will have a problem. there are no local entries to make a grid great.

AU N EGL · 1 Jun 2008, 11:48 (Ref:2216553)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lam Pak

there are no local entries to make a grid great.

Local Orgainizers will also have to pay travel expeses to most of the teams. Most teams do not have big enough sponsorship and manufactures are not going to pay as there are very few directly involved in sports car racing.

AU N EGL · 1 Jun 2008, 11:49 (Ref:2216554)

Dup

Speed-King · 1 Jun 2008, 14:42 (Ref:2216813)

Quote:

but the organizer will have a problem. there are no local entries to make a grid great.

Hmm, maybe the ACO should rather organize a "protected" and cheaper, more low-tech series for Chinese manufacturers to get them into prototype racing, and then after 5 years or so switch over to full Le Mans rules and open it up for the European teams?
Maybe VdeV rules, or old customer LMP1 and 2 chassis with engines from Chinese car makers.

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