Rumours of a new P1 Team? - Page 2

TWK · 19 Dec 2007, 23:45 (Ref:2092357)

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All of these forums and websites report what they know or think...mostly rumor.

Rumors with footnotes and source documents - in one place at least. Stretches the definition of rumor, doesn't it?

ss_collins · 20 Dec 2007, 11:45 (Ref:2092599)

yes I think its a bit damning...

let be straight here

Epsilon - its a goer, fact etc... see links posted elsewhere in this thread
Tokai - well the car aint built but I'm certain it will be
Dome - the car will be built and will get an entry, the question is who will run it

Those are the facts the more realistic rumours are

Henris mythical manufacturer, Honda P1, Mazda P1, customer 908's, South American team, RML.

ss_collins · 20 Dec 2007, 15:15 (Ref:2092711)

More on the epsilon here

http://www.mulsannescorner.com/news.html

JHamilton · 20 Dec 2007, 15:16 (Ref:2092712)

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Originally Posted by TWK

Rumors with footnotes and source documents - in one place at least. Stretches the definition of rumor, doesn't it?

Not for me. My point remains the same: All these websites, yourself included, do the best they can to report information they know or think. I prefer to take a "believe it when I see it" attitude when it comes to sports cars. Articles, press releases, and rumor blogs are not fact until the green flag falls. I do hope for the best every season and enjoy the gossip as much as anyone.

JHamilton · 20 Dec 2007, 15:17 (Ref:2092713)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

Henris mythical manufacturer, Honda P1, Mazda P1, customer 908's, South American team, RML.

In 2009 right?

ss_collins · 20 Dec 2007, 15:30 (Ref:2092727)

2008/9 whenever - they are rumours - they may never even happen, Elva may return with E.Presley as the driver... thats the difference between fact and rumour.

The problem you run into a lot of the time is that the professionally run sources like racecar or dsc, are told a lot more than they are allowed to say usually. Forums are fun and a god source but a pro site should give you facts only. I limit our site to cars only, thats the nature of our business, but to say articles are not fact until the flag falls is nonsense - it depends on the article of course - but a good one (like ours I hope) should be fact only.

Fogelhund · 20 Dec 2007, 16:36 (Ref:2092788)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Not for me. My point remains the same: All these websites, yourself included, do the best they can to report information they know or think. I prefer to take a "believe it when I see it" attitude when it comes to sports cars. Articles, press releases, and rumor blogs are not fact until the green flag falls. I do hope for the best every season and enjoy the gossip as much as anyone.

What TWK and I are saying, is the basis for these conclusions is not rumour, or speculative, but fact driven. Information in articles of most websites is fact driven, press releases and rumour blogs to be taken for what they are.

Conclusions based upon available information in this specific case certainly would fall in to the category of speculation, or perhaps of rumour. Maybe what we are saying is the same, but just in different words.

ss_collins · 20 Dec 2007, 16:58 (Ref:2092801)

Well put Fogel old bean.

But I guess this thread is called rumours... so back on the topic of rumours. V12 engined aston anyone?

JHamilton · 20 Dec 2007, 18:43 (Ref:2092884)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

What TWK and I are saying, is the basis for these conclusions is not rumour, or speculative, but fact driven. Information in articles of most websites is fact driven, press releases and rumour blogs to be taken for what they are.

Conclusions based upon available information in this specific case certainly would fall in to the category of speculation, or perhaps of rumour. Maybe what we are saying is the same, but just in different words.

I agree 100%. Articles contain facts but IMO may not always contain the full story due to restrictions or lack of some information. Some deals fall through the cracks after they are a "sure thing", hence my "wait and see" attitude. I think I'm on the same page as y'all though. Credibility of the articles we are really talking about is not in question from me.

I apologize for the hi-jack...I think that was my fault. Back to the tread guys!

TWK · 21 Dec 2007, 00:10 (Ref:2093064)

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

Credibility of the articles we are really talking about is not in question from me.

I apologize for the hi-jack...I think that was my fault.

One more before that return from the hi-jack. Thanks for the "credibility" note. The problem with such articles being lumped - in any way - with rumor and fora entries, is, if nothing else, the sheer amount of work that goes into seeking out the information. Having done that, it's dismaying to read that it seemingly counts for nothing.

Another note: The "articles in question" don't say that the car(s) won't race. Though one could conclude from them that they will not, that misses the point entirely. John Paul and the Whittington brothers raced. So may Al from Jacksonville. If that comes to pass, it won't change a single word of the article series.

Zytek_Fan · 31 Dec 2007, 22:17 (Ref:2097275)

On Mariantic:

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Growing rumours of new LMP1 @ Autosport Show - Lola-Aston coupe?

Might make some sense. Prodrive has indicated interest in running an Aston P1...

Flat12-Aircool · 31 Dec 2007, 22:29 (Ref:2097279)

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On Mariantic:

Might make some sense. Prodrive has indicated interest in running an Aston P1...

Well since Prodrive's F1 program seems as though its been put back another year, then I suppose they have at bit more free time on their hands.

ThePenguin · 1 Jan 2008, 02:14 (Ref:2097360)

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Originally Posted by Flat12-Aircool

Well since Prodrive's F1 program seems as though its been put back another year, then I suppose they have at bit more free time on their hands.

But then would they continue with the P1 coupe if they went into F1 in 2009 as they are currently planning?

SALEEN S7R · 1 Jan 2008, 02:24 (Ref:2097365)

I would say yes they would continue with the LMP1 if it was sucessful. Prodrive are a big enough operation to be able to do both a LMP1 programme and a F1 programme. IMO.

Zytek_Fan · 1 Jan 2008, 19:12 (Ref:2097682)

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I would say yes they would continue with the LMP1 if it was sucessful. Prodrive are a big enough operation to be able to do both a LMP1 programme and a F1 programme. IMO.

Yep. They already run Subaru in WRC and still work on the Aston GT1 project, so they have the resources to have involvement in motorsport more widespread.

TWK · 2 Jan 2008, 00:33 (Ref:2097809)

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Originally Posted by SALEEN S7R

I would say yes they would continue with the LMP1 if it was sucessful. Prodrive are a big enough operation to be able to do both a LMP1 programme and a F1 programme. IMO.

But not big enough to challenge Pratt & Miller in the ALMS?

Fogelhund · 2 Jan 2008, 02:10 (Ref:2097846)

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But not big enough to challenge Pratt & Miller in the ALMS?

Cue Mosport Corvette advertisement... turning Participants into Spectators.

SebringMG · 2 Jan 2008, 13:36 (Ref:2098027)

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But not big enough to challenge Pratt & Miller in the ALMS?

Prodrive certainly have the technical ability (more actually) but it comes down to money. As i understand it AM do not provide much in the way of money so Prodrive/AMR has to balance the books through sponsorship - when they don't get enough they don't go racing!!

GT1 is dieing / dead why bother spending your own money to further develop the car? Corvette can justify the cost based on the corals and meeting the owners at races.....Aston cannot!

I doubt Aston would buy what amounts to a customer chassis (Lola) - better off developing there own in conjunction with say Mclaren ?

Fogelhund · 2 Jan 2008, 13:54 (Ref:2098038)

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Originally Posted by SebringMG

Prodrive certainly have the technical ability (more actually) but it comes down to money. As i understand it AM do not provide much in the way of money so Prodrive/AMR has to balance the books through sponsorship - when they don't get enough they don't go racing!!

All relevant before Prodrive bought AM, not so much now.

**FIRE** · 2 Jan 2008, 14:24 (Ref:2098054)

Prodrive didn't buy AM. Richards is chairman and shareholder, but if I remember well he owns only a small amount of shares.

Fogelhund · 2 Jan 2008, 14:59 (Ref:2098077)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Prodrive didn't buy AM. Richards is chairman and shareholder, but if I remember well he owns only a small amount of shares.

Fair enough, though Richards heads both organizations, hence the intent of my prior statement still stands.

JAG · 2 Jan 2008, 19:04 (Ref:2098181)

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Originally Posted by SebringMG

Prodrive certainly have the technical ability (more actually) but it comes down to money. As i understand it AM do not provide much in the way of money so Prodrive/AMR has to balance the books through sponsorship - when they don't get enough they don't go racing!!

GT1 is dieing / dead why bother spending your own money to further develop the car? Corvette can justify the cost based on the corals and meeting the owners at races.....Aston cannot!

I doubt Aston would buy what amounts to a customer chassis (Lola) - better off developing there own in conjunction with say Mclaren ?

But are Aston Martin seriously going to run a program spending £25m+ a year to compete with Audi and Peugeot, or more likely badge a chassis, or fund a derivative of one with the V12 installed and operate a customer type program that's a step up from a regular customer car.

Remember Nissan commisioned Lola to build their late 80's Group C car, plenty IMSA GTP cars were based on the older Lola chassis, while Mazda purchased the chassis/rights to the TWR XJR-14 in '92, which incidently then went on to be a factory Porsche!

PorscheFanNo1 · 3 Jan 2008, 03:23 (Ref:2098364)

I'm not sure how much in common the TWR Porsches had with the XJR14 tho, cant have been that much?

Hugewally · 3 Jan 2008, 03:51 (Ref:2098371)

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Originally Posted by PorscheFanNo1

I'm not sure how much in common the TWR Porsches had with the XJR14 tho, cant have been that much?

Jaguar XJR-14 = Mazda MXR-01 + Porsche WSC-95

http://xjr14.site.voila.fr/index.html

The359 · 3 Jan 2008, 04:24 (Ref:2098376)

An XJR-14 chassis was chopped up to build the first WSC-95, although I seem to recall the second car being scratch built.

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