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29 Apr 2004, 22:49 (Ref:956210)
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Dome-Goh bmw
Was this car ever raced other than at the 99 fuji race and to what extent was it successful? Also was the BMW V12 LM (98 guise) the first Williams built sportscar?
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30 Apr 2004, 09:43 (Ref:956608)
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Don't know - gorgeous race car though.
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30 Apr 2004, 11:10 (Ref:956685)
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As far as I know, the BMW V12 LM was the first sportscar built by Williams. It was run by Gabriele Rafanelli at Le Mans in 1998; the V12 LMR of 1999/2000 was run by Charly Lamm's Schnitzer squad (to rather greater success).
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30 Apr 2004, 12:36 (Ref:956846)
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30 Apr 2004, 16:57 (Ref:957115)
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Dome used that BMW for development work tha twent into S101. The car was also run by thomas busher {spelling?] the modified version wasnt raced but it had made a big jump in lap time. Oh did anybody notice the the Goh audi in one of those photos. Lastly the lark car was thomas busher's I think anybody know what hes up to?
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30 Apr 2004, 17:02 (Ref:957118)
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Dr Bscher is now head of Bugatti.
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30 Apr 2004, 17:25 (Ref:957143)
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In 1998 Team BMW raced the V12 LM, chassis numbers 001/98 (car #1/dnf) & 002/98 (car #2/dnf). In 1999 Team BMW upgraded to the V12 LMR and ran chassis numbers 003/99 (car #15/winner) and 002/99 (car #17/dnf). Price/Bscher Racing Racing ran chassis number 001/98 (car #18/5th). Team Goh ran chassis number 002/98 (car #19/dnf). The Bscher car also ran in 2000.
Hope this helps on the history. I wonder why BMW never sold, or leased the 1999 LMR's as customer chassis? Would that car be competitive with the Audi? Last edited by jhansen; 30 Apr 2004 at 17:28. |
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30 Apr 2004, 17:39 (Ref:957157)
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The reason they gave for not selling or leasing the V12 LMRs was that they were high-tech, complicated machines that customers might not be able to cope with, and failure would tarnish the BMW brand image. I think the truth, however, is that by the end of 2000 the LMR had lost its edge and was no longer competitive with the ever-improving Audis. Remember it ran for two years (1999-2000) in the ALMS, but had been designed purely for Le Mans.
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30 Apr 2004, 17:47 (Ref:957159)
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Yeah, I figured as much. The car was edged out by the Panoz in 1999 and struggled against the Audi in 2000. I think they had something like three race wins in the ALMS in 1999 and two race wins in 2000. If memory serves me I don't think they even had a pole in 2000. But you're right, the low wing set up probably did not suit their cause in the States.
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30 Apr 2004, 18:01 (Ref:957168)
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RML (ray mallock limited ran nissans in super touring to great success) were goning to create customer versions of the chassis. but the deal fell through probably due to the ccompetitiveness of the audi r8 in their debut season
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30 Apr 2004, 18:08 (Ref:957178)
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Buying one of these and upgrading it might be another one of those "LMP on a Shoestring" options.....
But I couldn't find a prie for the one "for sale" on that link above.... |
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30 Apr 2004, 18:23 (Ref:957189)
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Aren't you about out of "shoestrings" Tim?
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1 May 2004, 00:14 (Ref:957475)
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the problem with the v12 lmr was the fw##
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2 May 2004, 06:12 (Ref:958380)
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the v12 lmr's enigne, like the ferrari v12, was hit with an unfavorable restrictor which cost the car dearly... this is why the ferrari v12 was switched out of some 333sp's in favor of the judd v10. if someone threw a judd gv4 in a lmr in 2000, it would definitely have given the audis something to worry about
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