Mini racing in the south east.

[graham bahr]

Even for class A the floor must remain steel the rules specifically state so

[Minicross424]

Graham with respect we are not making a song and dance about it just raising awareness about it, that is basicly one of the things a forum is for.
We all just want to go race and enjoy our selfs.

[mig]

Yes thats it Tris.I mentioned it because when you build a racing Mini it is standard procedure to replace the boot floor with carbon etc as it is allowed in Migs and all the other championships that we have cars running in.Would have been a shame for someone to turn up at Brands and not be able to race dont forget this not only concernes the Minis but all other cars as well.

[Rod Birley]

You can still run in the Quaife intermarque series, which has some very interesting cars appearing this year.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

Even for class A the floor must remain steel the rules specifically state so

fair enough.

[Big Dave]

Thanks all, Just got home, amazing how good news travels lol. You know after an event you think why the hell did i do that!! well it was one of them moments, i now have a bionic arm full of bits of metal so next time i stand a better chance of keeping that 4x4 of the deck lol lol see you a soon Dave

[Big Dave]

Seeing as i now have a little time on my hands (well arm) and being a builder of race minis (and an addict lol) for a few years now i think i may be obtaing a set of regs to have a very very careful read of, i have many many ideas to to make a mini very much more competitive than they are now. I will be building to the rules as many are apparently not, for examlpe ie i did not belive headlights were allowed to be blanked in 2009 DMN or am i wrong there are so many points like this ??? i have no intreast in the petty side of racing just showing my full potentencial as a leading mini race car builder and giving very much more expensive and modern machinery a run for its money with a 50 year old car see you all next season. And if there is any Minis out there fancy getting a bit quicker you know where to find me xxx Dave

[BESSIE]

How many years have you been building minis how many championships have they one

[rww]

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Thanks all, Just got home, amazing how good news travels lol. You know after an event you think why the hell did i do that!! well it was one of them moments, i now have a bionic arm full of bits of metal so next time i stand a better chance of keeping that 4x4 of the deck lol lol see you a soon Dave

Sorry to hear of your mishap Gavin and we all wish you a speedy and painfree recovery. This may sound a bit mercenary but are you able to weld with one arm? If so, then you know that beatiful piece of work you did 18months ago, letting in Mr Curley's best boot floor into the Sow's Ear? Well.........
Take it easy and looking forward to seeing you soon.

[rww]

Originally Posted by graham bahr

thats unfortunate, BUT the rules have always stated no modifications allowed to the unitary construction and only minor modifications to boot floor to allow the fitting of a fuel cell, further more they also stated it wasnt permissable to remove the entire boot floor which obiviously your are doing if you fit an alloy or carbon floor,

so in actual fact the rules havnt changed just clarified at the request of the scruitieers

Graham, you may well think the 2009 Techn. Regs clear and unambiguous but presumably the scrutineers did not, otherwise they would not have asked for clarification. I'm still none the wiser as to what is meant by unitary construction but previously believed this was the main cabin cell.'Minor modifications' is open to interpretation and we didn't remove the entire boot floor , we replaced part of it and ensured that the 'rear floor pan remains intact and structurally sound.' (2009 regs).
However, thats all behind us now but perhaps something can be learned from this. A little consultation and clearer publication of the changes would have avoided the frustration many DMN Mini racers are now feeling.

[Robert Morris]

well writen RWW if you look around the regs etc there are numerous variation, its just the minis turn this year to be picked on.

[Big Dave]

Originally Posted by BESSIE

How many years have you been building minis how many championships have they one

Hi I have been building and competing for 15 years considering im only 31 im very proud of what i have achieved to date!!!!! i built my own Autotest car (including engine/box) while on crutches after knee opp and have won my championship (national) for the last 10 years. As for the circuit cars i have built/helped you know full well what they have been acheiving and am very proud to say i helped them !!!! (you all know who you are no need for names). i would like to say i left the Mini 7 formula partly due to the company i was working for at the time but mostly due to peoples attitudes in so called club level (FUN) motorsport, i then discoverd with Mr Cujo where real racing gentleman style was taking part (SEMSEC) not following the current trend copying the touring car crap!!!! i was hooked, i love the people love, the cars, love the attitude, love the cameradary, and as long as i have my valued customers and freinds this is where you will find me hopefully for many many years Big Dave

[Big Dave]

Originally Posted by rww

Graham, you may well think the 2009 Techn. Regs clear and unambiguous but presumably the scrutineers did not, otherwise they would not have asked for clarification. I'm still none the wiser as to what is meant by unitary construction but previously believed this was the main cabin cell.'Minor modifications' is open to interpretation and we didn't remove the entire boot floor , we replaced part of it and ensured that the 'rear floor pan remains intact and structurally sound.' (2009 regs).
However, thats all behind us now but perhaps something can be learned from this. A little consultation and clearer publication of the changes would have avoided the frustration many DMN Mini racers are now feeling.

if you actually look at the mini boot floor pannel it comtinues under rear seat bulkhead to form the lower sear pannel, removing the center part in the boot floor you still have roughly 50% of the pannel left!!! we could reomve this whole pannel but we dont, only the part that the tank is located on!!!!! surely a minor mod to make sure fuel cell is safe is the important factor here!!! and by the way, this pannel is in no way part of the reay floor pan

[Minicross424]

Gav, do you reckon you can build a mini quicker than the fastest current dmn mini on a standard unit (not kad head?)

[bdwoody]

i could if you gave me £100K ........now where did i put my mate bill watsanames contact number ..lol

[mig]

You can have my Honda for half of that Woody then I can buy my dream Renault.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by Minicross424

Gav, do you reckon you can build a mini quicker than the fastest current dmn mini on a standard unit (not kad head?)

Tris whats the fastest dmn lap time at brands and lydden.
fastest lap dont always win. Race craft / slip steaming plays the biggest part.

But seeing theres is no minium weight limit at the moment you need a light weight driver acid dip the body shell etc keeping it very minamilastic and i have heard there is a standard a series engine out soon that will push the limits further.
Could make an intresting project but expensive, be better off building a historic that has a better resale value.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by mig

You can have my Honda for half of that Woody then I can buy my dream Renault.

Yep minis are expensive to build with little resale value, better off building 1600cc 16 valve corsa that could produce 230bhp.

[mig]

You build them because you love em Rob.

[Robert Morris]

Originally Posted by mig

You build them because you love em Rob.

You not wrong Lee but i reckon a corsa with the right engine and driver not me on paper could win class e

[mig]

If you have got the power and you can get in front and take away the minis cornering speed then the job should be done.

[Chris_w]

Originally Posted by Robert Morris

You not wrong Lee but i reckon a corsa with the right engine and driver not me on paper could win class e

It's the 205's I'm worried about in Class E, I think a well sorted one would walk the class.

On lap times, I know Ken's best is 46.9 at Lydden, not sure if Gerald's been quicker?

[mig]

I got my Mini round in the mid 46s but Lydden is all about grip something with a wide wheel and a soft tyre and low weight should be quick but the DMN only has one round there its the other circuits you need to think about.

[Big Dave]

yes Tris i do mate!! i have a few ideas that are regs legal for the engines the main problems lie with 50 year old ideas. you need to remember that really Mini Migs are some of the fastest minis around but you do not need to follow what they do coz it works you are not running to their regs think out of the box, think Jap technology. Im even considering selling my 280 BHP Caterham and putting my ideas and skills where my mouth is. Im no cheat just an engineer that likes to think so come on Mini all men sorry and Gemma!! lets continue to kick arse in 2010

[Minicross424]

To be honest if i was doing a national series all the time i would rather have some thing like lee because you dont need to ring its neck for every last bhp or throw tyres at it.