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Old 19 Feb 2011, 03:41 (Ref:2833605)   #1
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V8 SuperTourers in NZ - 'Car Of Tomorrow'

V8SuperTourer announced for New Zealand

The monocoque chassis, like the Australian V8 Supercar 'car of the future' or COFT project, is built to not only accommodate both the current VE Commodore and FG Falcon bodies, but any other similar sized four-dour production vehicle such a Toyota Camry, BMW 5 series, etc. Interested vehicle manufacturers of four-door saloon cars of a similar size to the Holden VE and Ford FG models can apply for homologation to race in the V8SuperTourier series.

The V8SuperTourer utilises a strictly-controlled, 'one make', all-alloy, fuel injected and dry sumped 7-litre V8 ST engine. The power-plant is derived from the Le Mans C6R Corvette programme and hand-built in America. It delivers some 550hp at 6,800rpm and is expected to have a racing life of 10,000 racing kilometres before requiring maintenance. This engine is identical to that of the Mosler Automotive's current and very successful GT3 sports-car.

The drive-train consists of a triple-plate clutch, which delivers engine torque through a Quaife 6-speed sequential transmission via a two-piece pro-shaft feeding a classic 9' Ford differential, which is fitted with a Torsen-style limited slip, crown wheel carrier assembly in order to provide excellent traction in most conditions.

The rear suspension adopts the proven, yet simple in design and maintenance, three-link live rear axle fitted with camber and toe, CV style, floating rear hubs.

The front suspension is a sophisticated 'clean sheet', double wishbone layout that is also cleverly symmetrical from left to right, thus reducing spares' inventories, etc. Both the front and rear suspension oscillations are dampened by adjustable bump and rebound shock absorbers fitted with adjustable spring platforms.

The rack and pinion power steering assembly is mounted ahead of the engine in order to better optimise the front suspension geometry and the high loads generated under long distance racing events.

The V8SuperTourer uses 11x18' forged alloy wheels carrying 280 x 680 x 18' racing slicks or wet weather radial tyres.

The brake rotors are, in the front, 355mm ventilated and 328 mm in the rear, fitted with forged billet alloy brake callipers and F1 style brake-ducting. The brake package combines to stop the comparatively light car, which has an all up weight, including driver, of less than 1,300kg.

The V8SuperTourer is designed to have performance similar to that of a current Australian V8 Supercar and is specifically designed for both sprint and long distance, enduro style racing with its 120-litre capacity fuel cell.


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Old 19 Feb 2011, 11:02 (Ref:2833709)   #2
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How does the cost of the Quaife compare to a Hollinger?
Interesting to see the move to the 18 inch rims too, one up on the Aussies
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Old 19 Feb 2011, 20:04 (Ref:2833923)   #3
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How does the cost of the Quaife compare to a Hollinger?
Interesting to see the move to the 18 inch rims too, one up on the Aussies
The new Heavy Duty Quaife QBE69G retails for GB$6,595 about A$10,000, so its nearly half the price of the Hollinger. It is also a true sequential transmission, unlike the Holinger which is a converted H pattern rail transmission.

The QBE69G is designed to handle 750 BHP and 600 ftlbs of torque.

We spent some time evaluating this transmission including talking to owners of Dodge Vipers in the USA, some of them running well in excess of 750 BHP.

WE have a lot of testing in front of us, so I guess we will find out if there are any issues, well before the new Series gets underway in February next year.

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Old 20 Feb 2011, 00:20 (Ref:2834051)   #4
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One of the best things this new car brings, in my eyes, is better parity between Ford and Holden, and we can see guys that have switched sides possibly come back, get that red v blue rivalry going again, be great to see this on track:



Look forward to seeing how the project progresses Mark.
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Old 20 Feb 2011, 05:58 (Ref:2834092)   #5
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I like what i see Mark! This is going to be awesome!

... Just hope they sound as good as the current cars

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Old 20 Feb 2011, 09:36 (Ref:2834124)   #6
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I like what i see Mark! This is going to be awesome!

... Just hope they sound as good as the current cars

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Hopefully they do Kenny, but if the minority get there way, they may restrict the exhaust noise to less than 85 Db's, just like here, pity, loved the Group A and C bigbangers of th 70's, throaty exhaust thru corners , full boar down the straights, but as houses are built near circuits, Please Keep the noise down people. to many softies out there.
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Old 20 Feb 2011, 18:29 (Ref:2834286)   #7
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Hopefully they do Kenny, but if the minority get there way, they may restrict the exhaust noise to less than 85 Db's, just like here, pity, loved the Group A and C bigbangers of th 70's, throaty exhaust thru corners , full boar down the straights, but as houses are built near circuits, Please Keep the noise down people. to many softies out there.


No such problems here in Gods-own, we even think that 95 Db is sacrilege!

Kenny, our 427 engines, spin another 600rpm higher that the current NZV8's, which are limited to 6400rpm, so with some clever plumbing on our side they should amazing roaring down the front straight at Puke.

Rest assured we know how important the exhaust noise is to fans, and if nesessary we will make however many exhaust systems it takes to get the job done.

Personally I cant wait to hear 20 plus big capacity 7 litre engines, rumbling down the hill, waiting to roar into action when the lights turn green.

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Old 20 Feb 2011, 19:45 (Ref:2834325)   #8
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I definitely cant wait to drive one,

Mark, what tyre is the class likely to use. Something similar to the control V8SC or a tyre with some more lateral grip?
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Old 20 Feb 2011, 09:34 (Ref:2834122)   #9
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Just out of interest, what's the cost of one of these? (I'm in the UK, so its not for me, just being nosey!)
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Old 20 Feb 2011, 20:39 (Ref:2834336)   #11
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'SuperTourer'? Shame they didn't use a more original name.

But hopefully the new platform is a good move for Tier 1 motorsport in NZ.
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Old 16 Aug 2011, 10:31 (Ref:2941685)   #12
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Old 20 Feb 2011, 21:18 (Ref:2834354)   #13
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[I]This engine is identical to that of the Mosler Automotive's current and very successful GT3 sports-car.
They've never built a GT3 car.
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Old 21 Feb 2011, 04:26 (Ref:2834465)   #14
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They've never built a GT3 car.
are you sure?
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Old 20 Feb 2011, 21:27 (Ref:2834360)   #15
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http://www.supercars.net/cars/2164.html

http://www.australiangt.com.au/car_s..._mt900_gt3.php

Both built to GT3 specs?
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Old 20 Feb 2011, 23:45 (Ref:2834411)   #16
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I presume it would basically be a GM performance Parts LS7 crate motor. $20k US with titanium rods, CNC heads etc. Should be pretty easy to see if someone has played games in them, as there is very little to them.

Looks like a pretty good thing, and isn't a hashed together job, like what the current vehicles appear to be. Gotta agree though Supertourers first made me think of the 2-litre series we had on this sode of the Tasman. I would have thought Future Tourers would have worked better, especially since that appears to be what the cars are an extension of today.

Hope it all works out for the best and the take-up is good. I totally agree with your comments that sometimes you need to move forward, and congrats on making the decision to do so, even though I'm sure it was a difficult one to make.
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Old 21 Feb 2011, 00:04 (Ref:2834419)   #17
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Is there a website for the New Zealand V8 SuperTourers?

Sounds very interesting, would like to read more about it etc.
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www.v8supertourers.co.nz

But its not active yet
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Old 21 Feb 2011, 19:29 (Ref:2834821)   #19
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But its not active yet
GTR, due to go "live" sometime today.
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So any hints on how the series will be promoted and what a typical round will consist of?

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I think the thing that is confusing is that NZV8's are going to continue to run as a separate "premier" class and this new series seems to be off on their own. Confusing for the fans and probably even those that run the current series. Personally I like the NZV8 name and I just don't get the arrangement. Probably you'll end up with weak grids for both and then it will be the end of the road.

I like the new car though.
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mountainstar, I do think in the beginning running both will weaken both, but the current cars just can't keep going in the state they are in. It's already hard enough to attract sponsors to motorsport, but trying to pitch cars to them that are as old as the NZV8s are is so tough.

On top of the "look" of the series is that the parity can't seem to be sorted with the current cars, a fresh platform hopefully sorts that.

A little bit of forward thinking has to lead you to thinking the SuperTourers is the right option of the two, think 5 - 10 years down the road, the SuperTourer would still be viable and current, where as the current NZV8's would be terribly out of date
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mountainstar, I do think in the beginning running both will weaken both, but the current cars just can't keep going in the state they are in. It's already hard enough to attract sponsors to motorsport, but trying to pitch cars to them that are as old as the NZV8s are is so tough.

On top of the "look" of the series is that the parity can't seem to be sorted with the current cars, a fresh platform hopefully sorts that.

A little bit of forward thinking has to lead you to thinking the SuperTourers is the right option of the two, think 5 - 10 years down the road, the SuperTourer would still be viable and current, where as the current NZV8's would be terribly out of date
Oh I definitely think V8 'supertourers' is the way to go for the future, I just don't understand why it's not taking over the shell of NZV8's. All along previously I thought that was going to be the case. The new chassis would come into effect and the old cars could run in a second level series. If NZV8's continues in it's current form for a few years, I think this new series is going to have a hard time getting off the ground. Especially with the economy and other issues.
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Oh I definitely think V8 'supertourers' is the way to go for the future, I just don't understand why it's not taking over the shell of NZV8's. All along previously I thought that was going to be the case. The new chassis would come into effect and the old cars could run in a second level series. If NZV8's continues in it's current form for a few years, I think this new series is going to have a hard time getting off the ground. Especially with the economy and other issues.
People have a choice in life, we wish the situation was not as it is, but it is what it is.

We have made a choice, and offered the same choice to all the current NZV8 teams at no cost other than the cost of the new car,

We believe the traditional Summer Series is unsustainable in this economic climate, will it ever be the same again?

We dont think so.

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