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Old 23 Dec 2009, 00:00 (Ref:2603943)   #16
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Thanks Garcon, i must admit i love the look of the Celica, memories of castrol coloured rally cars howling through welsh forests are coming back that for sure!

If you could forward these questions to this Integra expert that would be smashing

What are the main differences between the UK spec Teg type R's and the imported DC2 Type R's?

Is it worth buying a car with high mileage i.e 90,000 miles or more?

What things should i look out for if i go to look at a car?

A lot of cars seem to have uprated air intakes, exhausts, should i avoid these cars or not on reliability grounds?

What are running costs and servicing costs like, are there any inherent problems/faults with Teg Type R's?

Thank you very very much

Having spent a lot of today bored ive priced up insurance (again) for all of the car's, inclusing the Celica and Lupo GTI. Surprise surprise the Lupo cost's peanuts to insure (£620) while the Celica is pretty steep (£1,550) the Teg is quite steep at £1,300 but it doesnt look like im going to get insurance much below the £1,200-£1,300 region. Any insurers people could reccomend?
ive heard people say Adrian Flux is good for performance cars but their online quote thing on pistonheads is giving astronomical prices, so far ive gone through compare the market and go compare. Compare the market returning cheaper prices than anywere else. While Directline just wont come up with anything.
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Old 23 Dec 2009, 00:26 (Ref:2603951)   #17
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Strider, may i ask why not to go near a Type R, curiosity has got the better of me.
I guess a straight question deserves a straight answer, But I did say the reasons were personal.

The first is that I had it immediately after an Audi TT and I thought it would be more fun. In a way it was, but I didn't like the way you had to rev the nuts off it all the time to access the performance. It's nice to have performance on tap and this didn't. I've done my bit of racing thanks and now I don't want a road car that has to be driven like a racing car.

The other truly personal reason is within the space of a few months I tail-ended a couple of cars at relatively low speeds. The second time was definitely my fault, but the first time I felt the ABS cut in too soon. Some idiot girl had done an unexpected (and unnecessary) panic stop in front of me on a slip road off the A14. It was a scary moment, but I felt the car was going to stop in time until the ABS cut in and the Type-R just rolled into the back of her. The guy behind me, who was in a similar situation did stop, which I feel proves my point.

After that the Type-R had to go. I had a Mini Cooper S for a while, which felt much faster due to the supercharger even if the on-paper figures said otherwise.

Now, in that bracket I have Ford Puma 1.7, which is definitely the most fun of them all. It's not as fast in a straight line, but makes up for it elsewhere, particularly roundabouts. As long as you have a good line of sight it goes through those at amazing speeds and the gear change is outstanding.

So that's the truth. It may have been partly me, but I couldn't stand the car. A friend had another Type-R and he wrote that off against the back of an HGV...

One other thing about the Hondas I have had is that they were very poor for tyre noise. I had the top-of the-range Prelude (before the Type-R version) with 4-wheel steer and that was very nice, and before that one one of the V-Tec Civics, which helped me out of the biggest avoidance I have ever had to make on the A34 past Oxford. It was a massive tank slapper, but the car and I survived for which I shall always be grateful.
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Old 23 Dec 2009, 13:38 (Ref:2604195)   #18
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Having had an N reg BMW 316i for 9 years, I can only praise its reliability. Servicing cost little (providing you don't use BMW!) largely because it rarely needed anything doing. Failed MOT once for something fairly stupid and easily solved. It's also driven from the right end. I enjoyed driving it in all conditions and types of journeys, 325i is much the same but with a lot more poke.

Now moved to an 05 320d. I'll gloss over an initial problem (solved stress-free under guarantee) and say otherwise my experience is the same, running costs even less unless you need to buy a tyre.
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Ok, this is a bit lengthy but I thought others may also find it useful hence posting here rather than PM.

Here's my Integra buddy's answers to your questions:

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What are the main differences between the UK spec Teg type R's and the imported DC2 Type R's?

OK, there are 3 Ďmodelsí.

í96-spec JDM, í98-spec JDM and UKDM. Iíll try and lay down the main differences that will affect your car-decision-making purchase. The stuff I leave out doesnít really matter.

All of them have the exact same engine, cams, pistons, rods, crank, intake manifold, intake, etc. The only reason the JDM car makes more power, is the exhaust system is more free-flowing as standard. Change a UKDM exhaust manifold/exhaust for a JDM or an aftermarket, it frees up some power and makes it noticeably more peppy.

The í96 spec has different gear ratios, the í98 spec and UKDM have a higher final drive and slightly wider 4-5 ratios. The net result is better acceleration in 1-2-3, with 4-5 *slightly* better for cruising. There are die-hard í96 spec JDM fans who argue the earlier gearbox is better, but everyone else (including Honda) consider the later one an improvement.

The í96 spec has inferior brakes.

262mm front discs, UK and í98 JDM models got 282mm front discs. The calipers are also bigger, naturally. It makes a BIG improvement. Many í96 owners swap for the later spec brakes.

The í96 models are more often than not missing a lot of creature comforts. Airbags and ABS being 2 big ones. Itís VERY rare to find a í96 JDM with those 2 options, and when you do find a í96 model with ABS, it had the earlier pump which was the size of Cornwall and generally crap. í98 JDM models and UK cars have the same ABS system and itís far superior.

On the flip side, í96 spec models are a bit lighter. When a í96 model has NO options at all (clock, radio, ABS, A/C, airbags), it weighs in at about 1,060kg. When I had my fully-loaded UKDM model corner-weighted, it was 1,110kg. So 50kg in it really.

If you see these monkeys advertising ďlightweightĒ spec models on pistonheads or autotrader, it basically means itís one of the old JDM cars thatís got ****-all in it.

If you strip a UKDM car down in the same way, they weigh the same amount, there isnít some fabled lightweight version, they already weighed ****-all anyway.

Is it worth buying a car with high mileage i.e 90,000 miles or more?

To a certain extent. As long as theyíve been maintained well, then there isnít any real reason not to. The only catch is, if the suspension bushes havenít been replaced, theyíll be tired and sloppy.
It will still handle well, but until you drive it back to back with one that has new bushes, you wonít realise how sloppy it really is.

Essentially donít pay the same for a high miler as a low miler unless itís had a full re-work. Of the suspension. Dampers included, they get tired too and sloppy.

The engine will still be solid if itís been serviced correctly. Iíve seen them do ~200,000 before a rebuild/refresh is necessary.

If it burns some oil, donít worry. Get a compression test done, and if itís solid then donít panic. When revved hard they do burn a bit, itís not a problem.

What things should i look out for if i go to look at a car?

The rear arches. If not taken care of, they rust like buggery. But donít just look on the outside, insist to look under the boot carpet around the arch area, there is also a problem area in front of the arch which you canít see unless you pull the interior apart, but unfortunately thatís a bit of a gamble, unless you insist on stripping part of it out to look. Iíll fish out some pictures of the places to look a bit later and send them to garcon and he can forward them on.

A lot of cars seem to have uprated air intakes, exhausts, should i avoid these cars or not on reliability grounds?

Not at all, my personal car has a fully uprated head with cams, valves, valvesprings, retainers, injectors, the lot. Iíve done 24k miles on it so far. Things like air intakes and exhausts donít affect the reliability of functionality of the car at all. Some of them are **** parts that should be binned, but itís not a difficult job and things like that can be easily reversed.

What are running costs and servicing costs like, are there any inherent problems/faults with Teg Type R's?

Running and servicing is dirt cheap. Cambelt, £200, clutch, £300, tyres £70, full service, £150. These are all costs from independent specialists that are trustworthy. I wouldnít take it to a dealer anymore as most of the staff have never worked on them before or actually know them well.

Inherant faults, ermÖ.as the cars are getting older they can suffer from sticking rear brake calipers. A rebuilt kit from Honda is like £40. When the carís been sitting for a while, when you release the handbrake and drive off you can hear the rear brakes scuffing where they havenít totally released. Itís no biggy and they slacken off after a few miles and get back to normal, but it is a fault. The front do it to a certain extent, but nowhere near as bad and itís more of an anomaly than a consistent fault as the rears are.
Do a compression check on the engine, make sure all 4 are consistent between. If one or some are low, walk away.

When going for a drive, let the engine warm up so that the coolant temperature needle is just left of halfway, and rev it above 6,000rpm. You should feel a nice healthy kick as VTEC cuts in, and it should pull cleanly all the way to the limiter.

It should be crisp throttle response and clean revving all the time, if it isnít then something is wrong.

If someone has a VAFC, ĎVTEC controllerí, UniChip or anything like that, then leave it, as someone has butchered the wiring harness to get it to fit.

Aside from the bushes, oil burning and sticky rear callipers, I canít think of anything else really.

The radio aerial sometimes breaks and make horrible noises, but itís easily replaced.

Seat bolsters naturally, take a look at.

Canít think of anything else right now. If there is a car near to where I live in Cambridge, or surrounding, Iíd gladly go take a look at one in exchange for some petrol money.

Iíll send pictures later of the arches.


If you have any more questions, fire away.
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Old 24 Dec 2009, 14:00 (Ref:2604661)   #20
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absolutely smashing garcon, thats really helped me with my decision of what to buy, ive joined the Integra type R DC2 club forum, drove a Bug eyed Impreza today and its one hell of an exciting car, cracking engine and stupidly quick. However though, the insurance is an absolute ball ache, not to mention the running costs. So ive decided to boycott the Impreza, cracking car to drive though, if running costs and insurance were lower i probably would have given an offer there and then but hey ho.

Got to wait until after new year now to test drive anything else, in particular the Teg, a specialist insurance company for Teg's is getting back in touch, so im going to see if i can get a couple of hundred squids off the £1,600 quote i had.

If so, and i like the Teg, then its all lights green and i will hopefully have a Teg come Feb or March (now i have to start thinking about getting rid of my car for good money!).

Again, i would like to thank everyone who has helped out so far, youve all been great .
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Old 24 Dec 2009, 15:32 (Ref:2604690)   #21
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I think you're on to a good choice. The Integra, set up right, is the best handling fwd car ever built. Save the Impreza for later - when you can afford a nicer one and the insurance isn't so scary.
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I think you're on to a good choice. The Integra, set up right, is the best handling fwd car ever built. Save the Impreza for later - when you can afford a nicer one and the insurance isn't so scary.
I must say, the Impreza i was hugely impressed with, its one hell of a capable piece of kit, if the WRX is that much fun and that quick im struggling to imagine what the STI is like.

I must confess though that if it were not for the running costs and insurance, i would have gone for the impreza in a heartbeat. The Impreza is on the list of cars i must own before i kick the bucket, a nice STI in black one day

Now im just going to save up the cash from my christmas job etc, so i can buy a better example of the Teg, popped into a garage were a friend works and got a quick valuation done on my car. Got offered £1,100 there and then for the 106, so on that front i will see what the best deal i can get on my current car is. Then, once thats in hand, Integra here i come.

Again thank you everyone, especially Garcon and youre Integra expert, pass a message of thanks on to him please, merry christmas everyone as well .
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I shall pass that on. Glad to be of help.
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Hi guys and gals, thought i would give you all an update on how things are going considering you all helped out so much. I still dont have a new car, still waiting for a nice Teg to come around in my price range. After driving a Teg, i can simply say it is a brilliant piece of engineering, beautiful handling and engine. Ive also been very tempted to get my mitts on a Civic VTI and fettle it a bit (cam's/pulley's, performance exahust, CAI and induction, strut brace's, lighten it, grippier tyre's, lower stiffer suspension) But i decided against that. Hopefully i will have a Teg in the next couple of months.
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well finally after months of looking, indecision on a catastrophic scale ive gone for a car which i didnt even consider in the first place. Going to see a gentleman in the week to put a deposit down on a Honda Civic VTI 5 door in Pirates Black, absolutely love the car, looks, goes, drives, sounds and feels brilliant, bit of a change from deciding on a Teg. In the end though, it was running cost's which decided, recently looked at an Accord Type R which was awesome to drive and very quick, but it was a bit too big and too heavy to run.

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Glad you've found something! Hope it turns out ot be a good one. I'd imagine it'll be similar fun to an Integra, but a bit more practical and cheaper to run!
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Glad you've found something! Hope it turns out ot be a good one. I'd imagine it'll be similar fun to an Integra, but a bit more practical and cheaper to run!
its a great car, not as fun or as quick as a Teg but its 8.5 or 9/10's of what the Teg is in terms of fun and speed, but a lot more comfy and quiet. Cheaper to run and insure and more practical as well, only thing im doing is getting the rear ARB from a MG ZS 180 as this supposedly improves the handling greatly, but first the car

again Garcon thanks for the help throughout this
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