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It's certainly changed a bit from the concept they originally showed... http://green.autoblog.com/2011/06/16...-le-mans-2012/ I think I've just realised where the idea for the BHF came from- someone's been looking at too many old 70's F1 pics... http://grandprixinsider.files.wordpr...y-hill-gh1.jpg |
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Bah, that's cool and different in a good way. I wouldn't want a grid of them but that car I could accept lining up for Garage 56!
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absolutely. also weird add-ons on lmps. at least the production based cars will always look good. There is no way to mess them up, unless your road car is a panoz abruzzi. Interesting that most of these horrible features in f1 and lmp are there for increased safety.
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Personally think the delta wing looks great. It's so refreshing to see somebody thinking outside of the box rather than copying the standard designs. Can't wait to see the lap times
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I't's that ugly because the tanks are in the sides. No space for the radiators so they're fitted over the engine. Great for the COG I'm sure. And a weight of 1240kg. Definetly better than the lightweight DeltaWing.
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It's really easy to think out side the box when you get your own rulebook. In terms of innovation, this is no Q9 "Sparky" or P1 hybrid even.
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There's new things going on within the rulebook. That's what generates legitimate interest. If the ACO should bring back LMP675 or something like that if the ACO wants to see new things going on with lighter cars. Instead, we see a wasted grid spot just for spec car salesmen to show that their wheeled vibrator can turn.
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no, but at least they should try to put their tech into a customer chassis, so it will comply to the regs somewhat (loads of option available). what if someone would decide to run hybrid tech in an f1 car at el mans. DW (chassis) is a piece of **** indycar concept, a failure. It doesnt belong here. Simple as that. If they have a few real innovative ideas (not necessarily a new engine) they could put those into a variety of customer chassis (like hope racing is doing with hybrid engine)
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Right. Le Mans is a sports car race. The cars should reflect that in some way. There is no reason why the Wang should be dicking around Le Mans. Let Panoz and company buy an infomercial on Spice with their own money if they want to publicly prove that their latest erection can take a turn.
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Been following this thread for a while, as it seems to be one of the best sources of information about this project, which I've been following since I first heard about it in it's original single-seater form, but I had stop lurking for a moment and post.
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A half-weight car isn't exactly unconventional by itself, though it would probably require lots of exotic materials in a conventional layout, and thus would be very expensive. Reducing drag by that level pretty much requires a fighter jet-like design like the DW anyway. And you can't drop the power/tire wear/fuel consumption that much without doing both half-weight and half-drag. All of that put together is the DW's innovative idea, not any one piece of it. Quote:
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Le Mans has traditionally been THE PLACE for innovation in automotive racing. Disc brakes, turbine engines, air brakes, rotary engines, hybrid configurations (1998 test!), diesel engines... So, whatever it is, welcome DeltaWing, and congratulations for trying something different.
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If the ACO wants to see lighter cars mixing it up with heavier cars, bring back LMP675/LMP900. That way differing technologies and philosophies can compete without writing a rulebook just for one spec car to dick around the track aimlessly so Don Panoz can sell some spec cars and promote his materials business. There is a restrictive rulebook as is, but even with that, we still see stuff like different hybrid systems and different engine displacements. Obviously there are the different fuels. I know they say that sex sells, but there's enough openness within the rules creating legitimate excitement that we don't need gimmicks on the track like Barney Rubble's Bam-Bam sausage on wheels to gain attention. Last edited by Aysedasi; 7 Feb 2012 at 10:51. |
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If you offered me a choice between the DW and a normal sportscar, I'd take the normal sportscar. But that's not an option. And the DW is not at Le Mans instead of a deserving entry - it's an additional one. If you take a Jaguar D-Type, one of the most iconic sportscars of the 1950s, and lined it up next to an Oreca 03 and a DeltaWing, which would look closer to the original thing? Your idea of a "conventional sportscar" is only a creation of the current rulebook. If the Oreca 03 raced at Le Mans in 1959, the purists would have been coming out with the same stuff. This car is experimental. It's wierd, it's odd...it's curious. It's obvious that cars won't look like this in the future as it's basically a concept car that will find its way in to competition. |
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