Turn 8 at Clipsal

[spectator22]

mnews tonight says theres an announcement in adelaide tomorrow from clipsal/cams about changing Turn 8 after the fatal accident there this year. Sad as that was, I hope theyre not going to screw up one of the best corners left in racing in australia by putting in a chicane oreven just slowing it down. It would be a great shame

[Pro Racer]

so long as it's not plonking a chicane Hamilton style in i'll be happy.

[Trevor]

No, they are not having a turn 8, the cars will run from turn 7 to turn 9, there will be no more mention of turn 8 - RIGHT!!!!

[PVDA]

Why don't they just use the old F1GP layout??

Brewery Bend had heaps more space to fall off and the bonus is that the straight becomes twice as long as it is now.

[dazza027]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Why don't they just use the old F1GP layout??

Brewery Bend had heaps more space to fall off and the bonus is that the straight becomes twice as long as it is now.

I think you will find they wont do that because in effect it moves the danger area down one corner to the hairpin, which doesnt have any run off anymore. I for one am all for the GP track, memories of the GP will come flooding back if they were to do that but I cannot see it happening. TC wont give up prime spectator veiwing for the sake of 100 odd metres of run off.

[browney]

Originally Posted by PVDA

Why don't they just use the old F1GP layout??

Brewery Bend had heaps more space to fall off and the bonus is that the straight becomes twice as long as it is now.

Because the government can't justify that muh disruption and expense for a national only touring car race.

[EBXR8]

All they really need to do is make turn 8 a little wider in theory gove the cars a little room to the left if they get crossed up. Its not that quick a corner i Look at the kink at the end of Conrod or El Rouge at Spa in the F1, Yes there is concrete and yes it would not be a light tap but surely why wreck a perfectaly good course. Make turn 8 a little wider to the left let the big boys slide on through.

However in saying this the barriers (tyre bundles) which are used do offer protection but is there not some experimental inflatable ones overseas??? Mabye V8SCA could invest in a "trial" run befor they buy and see what they are like.

[JustASupporter]

http://news.smh.com.au/sport/coopers...1216-6zgv.html

Australian motor sport officials have made changes to the Adelaide V8 street circuit following the death of NSW driver Ashley Cooper in this year's race in February.

The Confederation of Australian Motor Sport (CAMS) said changes will be made to reduce speeds at turn eight on the circuit where 27-year-old Cooper crashed into a concrete barrier.

CAMS Chief Executive Graham Fountain said a panel of inquiry had found the design of the circuit and the safety measures used in Cooper's car had not contributed to his crash which was the result of driver error.

But Fountain said to reduce the potential of similar incidents at turn eight the inquiry had recommended the barrier line to be changed to cut speeds to a maximum of 195kph.

Cooper died in hospital after suffering severe head injuries.

[Axeman444]

i think half the problem is if the drivers get that little bit more runoff they might end up using it every lap, not just in times of making an error, much like turn 7

[PVDA]

THat was the problem the 1st year of the 500's. It had a heap of run off and the drivers changed the line to suit.

Oh, and the Flaggies got told to stop calling all the wide running car numbers as RC didn't want to know about it.

They narrowed it for the next year and kept fiddling with it until we got last years result.

[GTRMagic]

Here

[pplater]

This sucks, I hate it when tracks get neutered like this.
Turn Eight has jouned the Mulsanne and Eau Rouge on the list of once-thrilling track spots now flattened.

I think Vman said it best:

Originally Posted by VMAG

A track has to be dangerous if it is to be taken seriously.
There are many measures that help drivers maintain a level of safety, but the risk of V8 Supercars is inherent to the sport’s appeal.
It’s like the running of the bulls. Pamplona has horns to keep competitors on their toes, and adelaide has turn 8.

[Trevor]

Immature response to someones death pplater.

I think CAMS got it right. (and yes PVDA, you can quote me)

[pplater]

Originally Posted by Big_Trev

Immature response to someones death pplater.

It was published before Ashley's death, and I reckon it's on the money. Clipsal loses its fangs without Turn Eight - a track is not worth visiting if it doesn't evoke serious butt-clenching from drivers.

[chavez]

Are drivers checked before the start of a races that their HANS device is correctly fitted?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by pplater

It was published before Ashley's death, and I reckon it's on the money. Clipsal loses its fangs without Turn Eight - a track is not worth visiting if it doesn't evoke serious butt-clenching from drivers.

a tracks not worth visiting when people die or are dieing in front of your either. Too many bad injuries of late at v8 supercar events. in the last 3 years we have had some very serius injuries when in the prevoius 7 they were very rare

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by Big_Trev

I think CAMS got it right. (and yes PVDA, you can quote me)

I actually agree with you Trev & CAMS.

Short of going back to the old F1 layout they had a limited number of cards in the deck to deal to come up with a compromise to keep everyone happy.

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by pplater

It was published before Ashley's death, and I reckon it's on the money. Clipsal loses its fangs without Turn Eight - a track is not worth visiting if it doesn't evoke serious butt-clenching from drivers.

So, does that make your comments OK does it - I think not.

[peckstar]

ok, im just relating this to bathurst, because it also has that high speed corner, but with obviusly alot more run off. Is the kink on conrod into the chase also too dangerous? we have seen some big offs in recent years with cars flying across the tack further down the track

[STEALTHY]

It was said when clipsal was first announced that they weren't sure the even would draw enough fans to warrant using the larger circuit. I'm sure they've blown the predictions out of the water in that case.


Turn 9 could be modified further to supply more runoff, but how much faster would the cars be on the GP layout, i thought they almost hit the limited on the back straight as it is now, so they'd just be on the limiter for longer.

[PhaseIII]

Not if they change the allowed diff ratio.

[fomoco]

Why the need to change turn 8? Over the years it tested the drivers, yes DRIVERS. Unfourtunately , there was a death last year.

Now, can certain posters please explain to all, how the did a driver die from a left hand impact on a right hand drive car!

Before you go off half cocked, take at least four deep breaths, count to ten and think about it.

Yes over the years we have seen drivers die. The authorities have then held an inquiry, and deduced that it was:
Driver Error,
The track Conditions,
The speed of the cars has increased and the track is now unsafe
The internal safety systems need to improve
etc etc

Just like when we lost a Marshall at the Gp some years back.

So if anyone has a copy of the report, or sat on the inquiry, then post and let us know.

As for me, don't change it, make the track challenging to the driver, and lets see who can really drive.

[Birky]

I sure this has already been suggested by would the SAFER barrier as used in (dare I say it) NASCAR solve this problem without changing the corner.

The majority of accidents are turn 8 are sideway 'glances' into the concrete, so using Safer would at least absopt some of the energy from an accident.

[peckstar]

Birky, my understanding from the discusion about this, is that Safer barriers are not buily for temparary walls. there intention is for permament walls.

but that may have changed by now, 6 months latter

[Birky]

I thought it may be something like that, thanks peckstar