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Old 14 Nov 2017, 23:34 (Ref:3780494)   #166
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He's won races, which kimi hasn't. He was in the championship hunt first half of year, which Kimi wasn't. Hamilton also benefited from safety car to gain ground as well as having an optimally set up car to conditions. Rosberg had years with the team, helping to develop the car with his inputs. Bottas has had a short off-season with a car not developed to him and updated likely to the other driver's liking above his.

But don't get me wrong, rosberg was really good and prob better than he was given credit for.
All very very valid points.
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Old 14 Nov 2017, 23:54 (Ref:3780495)   #167
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To be fair on Kimi, the only thing that prevented him winning the same amount of races as Bottas (in Monaco & Hungary), was his team.
That's fair.
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Old 15 Nov 2017, 09:56 (Ref:3780539)   #168
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It hasn't been a too bad first season for Valterri, hopefully he'll be able to do better next season. It will be a make or break season for him
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Old 15 Nov 2017, 10:00 (Ref:3780541)   #169
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It hasn't been a too bad first season for Valterri, hopefully he'll be able to do better next season. It will be a make or break season for him
He was looking really promising when he won in Austria, since then he has gone walkabout, not an encouraging sign.
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Old 16 Nov 2017, 08:05 (Ref:3780690)   #170
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He was looking really promising when he won in Austria, since then he has gone walkabout, not an encouraging sign.
Wolff puts it down to a lack of aggressiveness.

'Valtteri has recovered slowly but still needs the tick of a killer'
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Old 16 Nov 2017, 19:03 (Ref:3780827)   #171
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Wolff puts it down to a lack of aggressiveness.

'Valtteri has recovered slowly but still needs the tick of a killer'
He's not anywhere near aggressive enough and unlikely to make himself be something he's not. He made no attempt to tough it out with Vettel at the start in Brazil when there was scope. The other drivers know he's a soft touch.
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 08:50 (Ref:3780919)   #172
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He does need to get his elbows out more if he's gonna be a consistent challenger
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Old 17 Nov 2017, 11:15 (Ref:3780951)   #173
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Some of bottas' non-aggressiveness could come down to making sure to take extra care of the cars and not wreck out too much with his new team. If he had had a string of wrecks or damage from contact throughout the year the team could have soured on him for that.
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Old 4 Jan 2018, 23:36 (Ref:3790743)   #174
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Hamilton v Bottas - The numbers by Mark Hughes

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/o...milton-f1-2017

"he was more competitive in the first half of the season than the second and his confidence seemed to take a knock when he was told at Spa that he would be supporting Hamiltonís title challenge for the balance of the season." Mark Hughes

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Assuming what the all knowing says is correct is it that his confidence took a knock or he became less motivated.
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And at the previous round in Hungary, Hamilton let Bottas pass him before the line, because Bottas was a realistic chance of taking the title away from Vettel or Hamilton yeah??

Don't think so.
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Old 5 Jan 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3790832)   #177
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Bottas IMHO needs to have a great start to the season if he is not to be a number 2 driver in the team
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Bottas IMHO needs to have a great start to the season if he is not to be a number 2 driver in the team
He needs to develop a bit more speed.

Outqualified 5 - 11

Pole positions 2 - 10

No chance you are going to be number 1 with those stats, plus Hamilton went on holiday 2 races early.
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He needs to develop a bit more speed.

Outqualified 5 - 11

Pole positions 2 - 10

No chance you are going to be number 1 with those stats, plus Hamilton went on holiday 2 races early.
And he wasn't signed as an equal no.1. He was signed as a short term seat fill solution. In the early part of '17 he did bloody well but it will be very hard to repeat that this year let alone maintain it over the season.
If he does well enough he will still be of interest to other teams though.
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And he wasn't signed as an equal no.1
Sorry, but what evidence do you have to back that statement?

I don't believe for a second that Bottas was signed on as a number 2 driver. That is a Ferrari trait. Not Mercedes. It was stated by Wolff at the time of signing that Bottas would be equal, and Hamilton demanded his team mate was given equal opportunity at the team.

https://www.thenational.ae/sport/tot...des-gp-1.15677

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...ammate-856210/
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