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Old 28 Mar 2017, 02:10 (Ref:3722008)   #61
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Team orders for sure. Merc wanted to maintain second and third positions incident free.


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Old 28 Mar 2017, 13:52 (Ref:3722151)   #62
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Old 28 Mar 2017, 16:01 (Ref:3722183)   #63
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I suspect Bottas was maybe as quick or slightly quicker at the end than Hamilton, but even if he was given the go ahead to pass Hamilton, I didn't see him being able to catch and pass Vettel. And who had the pace at that point between the two is speculation. At the moment, I believe these cars may prove to be hard to pass when the speed differential between them is small.

But... I can imagine that both drivers were instructed to hold position. I think who was the leading Mercedes driver likely had little impact. So if the roles were reversed, I expect the result would have been the same. Finish in that position to guarantee points and podium for both drivers.

To early in the year for heavy handed team orders.

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Old 28 Mar 2017, 16:12 (Ref:3722186)   #64
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Is being instructed to hold position not team orders?


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Old 28 Mar 2017, 17:06 (Ref:3722201)   #65
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I assume you are asking me. BSchneiderFan may have a different opinion.

Given team orders can range from the extreme of "pit this lap" to "allow your teammate to pass", I would say holding position is a "team order". I don't disagree with your comment at the top of this page other than the sureness that there was an order of any type.

The context of the general discussion however has been if Bottas was told to not pass or pressure Hamilton due to a preference for Hamilton to finish in front of Bottas. My opinion is that real or implied driver ranking within the team was likely not a significant factor in any orders at the end of this race... if any orders even existed. I would assume that constructor points was the prime motivation with respect to late race strategy.

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Old 28 Mar 2017, 22:35 (Ref:3722270)   #66
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If Lewis was behind Bottas in a faster car at that stage of a GP, telling him to hold station would be a complete waste of breath.
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Old 29 Mar 2017, 04:57 (Ref:3722333)   #67
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I think it is all huff and puff given Lewis wasn't able to get past Verstappen even with a known pace advantage, then Bottas was never going to get past Hamilton with the same car.
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Old 29 Mar 2017, 10:01 (Ref:3722379)   #68
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I think it is all huff and puff given Lewis wasn't able to get past Verstappen even with a known pace advantage, then Bottas was never going to get past Hamilton with the same car.
You're probably right, apparently Ocon was 27 km/h faster down the straight than Alonso and could not get an overtake right.
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Old 29 Mar 2017, 15:28 (Ref:3722434)   #69
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If Lewis was behind Bottas in a faster car at that stage of a GP, telling him to hold station would be a complete waste of breath.
I think this is right. Bottas probably could have challenged Hamilton at the end but wasn't going to ruffle feathers in the team yet. Hamilton wouldn't have cared about that. Bottom line is that bottas looked competitive enough that he probably could have made a run and passed Hamilton late, which is encouraging for anyone thinking Hamilton could walk away with it this year or dominate his new teammate.
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Old 29 Mar 2017, 16:40 (Ref:3722453)   #70
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IBottom line is that bottas looked competitive enough that he probably could have made a run and passed Hamilton late,
I'm not so sure - I certainly think Bottas could have got closer to Hamilton - but then he'd have been in the dirty air of Hamiltons car and not be able to get within DRS range. Also how hard was Hamilton pushing? He wasn't going to catch Seb so he may well have just turned the engine down and cruised to the finish. All ifs and buts really though so we'll have to wait and see......
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Old 29 Mar 2017, 19:46 (Ref:3722473)   #71
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I'm not so sure - I certainly think Bottas could have got closer to Hamilton - but then he'd have been in the dirty air of Hamiltons car and not be able to get within DRS range. Also how hard was Hamilton pushing? He wasn't going to catch Seb so he may well have just turned the engine down and cruised to the finish. All ifs and buts really though so we'll have to wait and see......
Agree. I suspect Hamilton could only get so close to Vettel and Bottas could only get to close to Hamilton. And between the three of them they settled into a rough balance. Was Vettel only running so fast to maintain a specific gap to Hamilton, was Hamilton running a specific speed to maintain a gap to Vettel, etc. Everyone within striking distance incase something goes wrong with the car in front of you. But I also think Bottas pace was good and we will have to wait to see a straight up Hamilton vs. Bottas battle.

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If they did have to put in team orders to keep Bottas behind, then surely that's good enough for Mercedes to know that Bottas is doing just fine? He doesn't have to beat Lewis to prove he's good enough to keep - he just needs to be close. If he's so close he gets told to slow down, then surely Mercedes would be happy with that?

Arguably, if they told Bottas to hold position, it's better than Rosberg did a lot of the time, and they kept him.
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Old 9 Apr 2017, 15:20 (Ref:3725037)   #73
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I see Hamilton is winning in the hair department. His transplant has rooted well!


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