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Old 21 Nov 2017, 16:00 (Ref:3781990)   #31
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 16:12 (Ref:3781995)   #32
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I'm very surprised that so many forum members ignore GTE-Pro.

It features several factory teams with top drivers, and the cars are awesome.
I agree. If GTE Pro isn't strong, that is a deal breaker for me. LMP does not interest me much at all next year with Porsche going away. They all look the same to me. Thankfully the new GT-Prototype rules for 2020-2021 looks very promising.
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 16:14 (Ref:3781996)   #33
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BoP baby!
Trust me, trackside and in the grandstands if you see a train of GT cars thundering past you racing for position those three letters get removed from your brain in an instant.

Life's too short and motorsport is too niche nowadays to worry about politics within it.

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Old 21 Nov 2017, 16:17 (Ref:3781997)   #34
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I'm very surprised that so many forum members ignore GTE-Pro.

It features several factory teams with top drivers, and the cars are awesome.
If you go back and look at my posts at the start of the decade you'll notice GT1 and GT2 were my favorite categories, LMP1 only came in third (or maybe tied for second)

Then WWE happened to GT and I lost literally all interest, it's 100% prototypes now. Too bad LMP2 has gone into quasi spec too, and North America's been ruined with 'DPi, so it's mostly P1 left. But thank god that's still awesome, and 2017 looks to be great
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 16:39 (Ref:3782001)   #35
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Life's too short and motorsport is too niche nowadays to worry about politics within it.
Can't agree more. Yeah, we would all like them to get rid of this BoP nonsense, but at the end of the day I'm still watching all the categories while I can.
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 16:47 (Ref:3782004)   #36
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Oh, personally I don't WORRY about it anymore. Remember the times when every other day I came here crying and moaning about the latest BoP tables and whatever? Those days are over, I can't even remember the last time I went to the FIA committee site. But that's simply because I don't care about them anymore.

They are non factor. GTEs and GT3s are there, doing their own little thing, whatever it is, and I simply choose to ignore them. Just like a bully.

There is one good thing about them however, and that's traffic obstacle for prototypes although I'd rather have LMP3 doing that, they're slow enough for P1 ad P2
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 17:28 (Ref:3782014)   #37
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I'm very surprised that so many forum members ignore GTE-Pro.

It features several factory teams with top drivers, and the cars are awesome.
I enjoy the racing, that's for sure (and certainly don't ignore it), but I'm a prototype man at heart, always have been, and always will be......

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Trust me, trackside and in the grandstands if you see a train of GT cars thundering past you racing for position those three letters get removed from your brain in an instant.

Life's too short and motorsport is too niche nowadays to worry about politics within it.
I completely agree. When it works, like at LM this year, it is very exciting to watch.
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Old 21 Nov 2017, 18:07 (Ref:3782030)   #38
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i feel that although the lmp classes are the cutting edge of technology i love to watch the GT's the good old days of Le mans GT's were racing for top spot but today they can never match the LMP's, but i will follow the gt's and love the close racing and unexpected turns that always seem to happen every year.
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Old 22 Nov 2017, 18:00 (Ref:3782238)   #39
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I have done some analysis of the data from this highly scientific survey

The results are not surprising. In order of popularity, based on average scores:

Circuits
Le Mans 9.8
Sebring 8.9
Spa 8.0
Silverstone 7.5
Fuji 6.8
Shanghai 6.1

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LMP1 8.7
GTE Pro 7.3
LMP2 6.9
GTE Am 4.1
LMP3 3.4

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WEC 8.2
ELMS 5.5
MLMC 2.1
ALMS 2.1
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Old 22 Nov 2017, 22:05 (Ref:3782276)   #40
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FIA World Endurance Championship = 8
European Le Mans Series = 8
Michelin Le Mans Cup = 0
Asian Le Mans Series = 3
Asian Le Mans Sprint Cup = 0

Spa 6 Hours (2018-19) = 8
Le Mans 24 Hours (2018-19) = 10
Silverstone 6 Hours (2018) = 8
Fuji 6 Hours (2018) = 4
Shanghai 6 Hours (2018) = 4
Sebring 1500 Miles (2019) = 6

LM P1 = 9
LM P2 = 9
LM P3 = 0
LM GTE-PRO = 8
LM GTE-AM = 8
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Old 23 Nov 2017, 08:40 (Ref:3782379)   #41
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I've witnessed plenty of boring races there over the years, 30 or so cars (even sportscars, let alone slower ones) on a 7 km track won't quite cut it. No need for worshipping.
I don't worship tracks. I also don't need huge grids to enjoy races. Two cars can make a race imo!
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Old 23 Nov 2017, 20:23 (Ref:3782481)   #42
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I don't worship tracks. I also don't need huge grids to enjoy races. Two cars can make a race imo!
I admit I'd rather watch two LMP1 cars solely going against each other at Bahrain, than watch 50x "DPis" battling on the greatest of American circuits, however I still wouldn't be happy about them circulating crappy track

I'd say for me the interest of watching these (non-LM) races are made 60% of what entries are present, 25% about the track/event and 15% about specific rules for it. Something like that anyway
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Old 23 Nov 2017, 20:33 (Ref:3782483)   #43
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Why can't we enjoy both for what it is? I love LMP1 (including hybrids). I also love DPi. LMP1 isn't right for IMSA, and DPi isn't right for WEC. They're very different and both awesome in their own ways. They also both have huge downsides. Just enjoy both.
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Why can't we enjoy both for what it is? I love LMP1 (including hybrids). I also love DPi. LMP1 isn't right for IMSA, and DPi isn't right for WEC. They're very different and both awesome in their own ways. They also both have huge downsides. Just enjoy both.
Why would I have to enjoy both?

One can enjoy Star Trek the Next Generation without enjoying Star Trek Discovery, or vice versa.

Sure you CAN like both, but it's also reasonable if you do not.
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Old 23 Nov 2017, 20:49 (Ref:3782486)   #45
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Why can't we enjoy both for what it is? I love LMP1 (including hybrids). I also love DPi. LMP1 isn't right for IMSA, and DPi isn't right for WEC. They're very different and both awesome in their own ways. They also both have huge downsides. Just enjoy both.
I agree. Now that DPi are real prototypes and not the tube framed DP Grand Am era cars I agree! Do I miss the ALMS? Yes. But the reality is DPi has depth and diversity (look at the heavy hitter teams just like ALMS 2006-07) and I would argue it is better than WEC P2. Plus the Euro teams are starting to come over again for the big races. I am happy to be proven wrong about the "merger" of Grand Am and the ALMS. The united series was terrible for a couple of years but is now really finding its' stride. Racing is a huge part of my life so I am so happy to see a healthy IMSA once again. I will be attending Daytona, my first IMSA race since 2014 when I attended 3 and did not enjoy the rules, officiating, BoP, terrible announcers, lucky dog wave-bys DP cars, etc. I left all of them angry.
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