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Old 28 Mar 2018, 20:57 (Ref:3811598)   #16
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"he absolutely went for it, got a bit wide I think [in] Turn 11/12 on lap six and that damaged the rear diffuser and created a significant imbalance for him" - Horner.

I have no problem with this, top to watch. An exciting driver. However if you are to gain any semblance of credibility you need to be a little more open and realistic about your passion for Max. I'm not sure how FAS can achieve that for Dani. Until this (impossible) situation occurs I shall only see these drivers for what they are - mediocre and a waste of a great team that would be winning championships with only a half decent driver installed in one of those seats.
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Old 28 Mar 2018, 21:34 (Ref:3811627)   #17
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Oh good grief....... We have this to look forward to again this season........?
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Old 29 Mar 2018, 01:59 (Ref:3811662)   #18
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Oh good grief....... We have this to look forward to again this season........?
Reminds me of the glory days when Jacques Villeneuve raced.
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Old 29 Mar 2018, 03:43 (Ref:3811665)   #19
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"he absolutely went for it, got a bit wide I think [in] Turn 11/12 on lap six and that damaged the rear diffuser and created a significant imbalance for him" - Horner.

I have no problem with this, top to watch. An exciting driver. However if you are to gain any semblance of credibility you need to be a little more open and realistic about your passion for Max. I'm not sure how FAS can achieve that for Dani. Until this (impossible) situation occurs I shall only see these drivers for what they are - mediocre and a waste of a great team that would be winning championships with only a half decent driver installed in one of those seats.
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Old 15 Apr 2018, 20:37 (Ref:3815827)   #20
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Old 15 Apr 2018, 20:51 (Ref:3815831)   #21
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I'll give you that one. Daniel did a grand job.
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I'll give you that one. Daniel did a grand job.
swap him with Bottas' seat and he'd be moonwalking past Hamilton on track.
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swap him with Bottas' seat and he'd be moonwalking past Hamilton on track.
He'd give him a good run from time to time. But it's still Hamilton's team.
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He'd give him a good run from time to time. But it's still Hamilton's team.
I don't necessarily disagree but at the same time Hamilton's been out-qualified and out-raced in the last two rounds. And remember 2014 at Red Bull...
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I don't necessarily disagree but at the same time Hamilton's been out-qualified and out-raced in the last two rounds. And remember 2014 at Red Bull...
I'm not a fan off one of comparisons like that as it never tells the full story. DC beat Hakkinen in 2001. Hakkinen beat Schumacher in 98 and 99. Therefore DC is better than Schumacher. And Rosberg beat Schumacher at Mercedes, therefore Rosberg is the greatest driver in the world, closely followed by David Coulthard.

That sentence is of course, barmy. But that's why I don't like these one-offs. Unless it's a sustained period (such as Vettel v Webber, or Schumacher v Barrichello) then it's very hard to draw a comparison. And especially in the first season of new rules, or a team shake up.
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I'm not a fan off one of comparisons like that as it never tells the full story. DC beat Hakkinen in 2001. Hakkinen beat Schumacher in 98 and 99. Therefore DC is better than Schumacher. And Rosberg beat Schumacher at Mercedes, therefore Rosberg is the greatest driver in the world, closely followed by David Coulthard.



That sentence is of course, barmy. But that's why I don't like these one-offs. Unless it's a sustained period (such as Vettel v Webber, or Schumacher v Barrichello) then it's very hard to draw a comparison. And especially in the first season of new rules, or a team shake up.


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I'm not a fan off one of comparisons like that as it never tells the full story. DC beat Hakkinen in 2001. Hakkinen beat Schumacher in 98 and 99. Therefore DC is better than Schumacher. And Rosberg beat Schumacher at Mercedes, therefore Rosberg is the greatest driver in the world, closely followed by David Coulthard.

That sentence is of course, barmy. But that's why I don't like these one-offs.
That's a very good logical point. You are highlighting the problem of taking a few results individually, and then inferring something about the whole, while ignoring the majority of the evidence such as the general statistics and all of the other convolutions that determine who is the best driver. It's a mistake in reasoning called, "slothful induction fallacy," where people make the mistake of focusing on the MINORITY evidence, and letting that evidence dictate their conclusion, and basically ignoring the proper conclusion the majority of the evidence is actually pointing to.

EXAMPLE: "Ted isn't clumsy, someone left an object on the floor and that is why he tripped." (but if there is a long history of clumsiness for Ted, for various reasons and the evidence is clearly damning, then this doesn't matter much)

Now I am not the most massive Hamilton fan but I am still a fan of his driving, and all of the evidence collectively shows us that he is exceptional as a driver and it could never be stated flippantly, that some other driver could beat him, as that would be to SURMISE that they could, without evidence of actually witnessing any beating.

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Disclaimer: I am not saying Hamilton can't be beaten, or there isn't someone who can. That's down to opinion, I just don't believe SURMISING that someone can, because they are also good drivers, is sufficient to prove it;

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I don't necessarily disagree but at the same time Hamilton's been out-qualified and out-raced in the last two rounds. And remember 2014 at Red Bull...
we have seen what an unmotivated LH looks like and it is quite different then the LH we saw after the summer break in 2017. he is a streaky driver and one that probably needs to manufacture a little bit of controversy to help himself get motivated (skipping the London event last season for example after which he was mega).

we also saw him in an uncompetitive Mclaren where Button had the measure of him over the couple of seasons they were team mates. i have to think part of that was down to Button not being bothered by any manufactured controversy. Nico struggled with it but ultimately found a way to overcome it...then he retired cause LH is LH and life is too short.

obviously i dont know any of these guys so this is complete conjecture, but from what i have seen/my impression, DR strikes me as more unflappable then Bottas and thus more likely to replicate the success of Button and Nico as LH's team mate.

so i think the 2014 SV vs DR comparison is one with some merit. SV had just won 4 in a row and found the 2014 car wanting. its not surprising that he went through that season with a different level of motivation then he had in prior years and DR was able to take advantage of that.

so, if the 2019 Merc is not the best of the best, i do very much think this is a fair comparison to the 2014 RB season is a valid comparison.

im not going to say DR would beat (moonwalk) LH in the same car over the course of the season...the only real fact is that there is a reason why they need to run the races first.

but looking ahead to 2019...a LH vs DR pairing is really the one i want to see the most as i do think it would be a lot closer then some may think...and im a LH fan!

just straight opinion but i just get the sense that DR is ready to take the next step in his career and i dont feel the same about Bottas.
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Lewis is a mercurial driver. I honestly believe that when he’s at the top of his game, he’s unbeatable, but sometimes he doesn’t seem to show up. Daniel is very, very good and I think would push Lewis hard at Mercedes. I couldn’t guess who would come out on top.
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