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Old 16 Apr 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3816017)   #106
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I thought in this instance Seb was quite measured and calm when it came to having his race ruined by Max. Philosophical even..
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 14:53 (Ref:3816019)   #107
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so Merc again talking about how the RBR tire switch wasnt on their radar and/or didnt conform to what they thought the pace of the soft tire was.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/m...china-1026969/

3rd race in a row where they have been massively let down by their race simulation/data analysis team. begs the question, what do these people even do in the data center?

i suspect slacking off/surfing the net like every other employee in front a computer all day.

for me first question about that would be if they didnt think the soft had much benefit then surely still even pitting for a fresh set of mediums made more sense then staying on the slightly used set LH was currently on....or does the communication delay/ analysis time prevent quick responses?

or at the least, if they were so confident in track position over fresh rubber, then send your pit crew out in an attempt to trick Ferrari into making an extra stop. a call which the pit wall should have made and could have bought them a little more time to hear back from base.

i also dont like the uniformity in strategies...hedge your bets with whichever car of yours is running second....thats just old school race strategy no?

of course all hindsight but i feel like they are missing the tricks that used to be common place before the data/race simulation revolution took their racing instincts away.

anyways, glad to see Merc get defeated again by virtue of an over reliance on money and technology.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 14:55 (Ref:3816020)   #108
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Vettel not happy that safety car was released two laps after the incident, and after he and Bottas had passed the entry line.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...-was-not-right
What's your opinion on it though? Are you saying that you agree with Vettel?

In the past you have made it clear that you feel the word 'disgrace' should be used whenever Vettel speaks, and that you have zero respect for anything he says - so I guess Vettel's in the wrong here?

for clarity - the incident occurred with drivers on L30, and the SC with drivers on L31.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 15:21 (Ref:3816025)   #109
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That was a great race. The "disgraceful" "butt-ass" once again beat his teammate and likely would have won if not for some bad luck.

I kinda thought the verstappen Vettel incident was a racing one, and didn't really deserve a punishment. Vettel went in wide, max saw a gap and went for it. Ambitious, yes, but so was ricciardo on bottas. I think those two tend to happen in reverse if done on the other drivers. Bottas would have avoided contact with max, Vettel would have hit ricciardo. Just my opinion, of course.

Lot of good racing all around the grid. I thought even the second or third lap around under safety car that Vettel and bottas should have pit in response to the red bulls. Would have been behind them, but with slightly quicker cars. Maybe it would have put them too far deep in the field.

If this keeps up this season, it's going to be great entertainment.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 22:46 (Ref:3816067)   #110
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That was a great race. The "disgraceful" "butt-ass" once again beat his teammate and likely would have won if not for some bad luck.

I kinda thought the verstappen Vettel incident was a racing one, and didn't really deserve a punishment. Vettel went in wide, max saw a gap and went for it. Ambitious, yes, but so was ricciardo on bottas. I think those two tend to happen in reverse if done on the other drivers. Bottas would have avoided contact with max, Vettel would have hit ricciardo. Just my opinion, of course.

Lot of good racing all around the grid. I thought even the second or third lap around under safety car that Vettel and bottas should have pit in response to the red bulls. Would have been behind them, but with slightly quicker cars. Maybe it would have put them too far deep in the field.

If this keeps up this season, it's going to be great entertainment.
At the time and on reflection, Verstappen should have got a drive-thru. 10 seconds was somewhat lenient.
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Old 16 Apr 2018, 23:50 (Ref:3816075)   #111
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3rd race in a row where they have been massively let down by their race simulation/data analysis team. begs the question, what do these people even do in the data center?

i suspect slacking off/surfing the net like every other employee in front a computer all day.

for me first question about that would be if they didnt think the soft had much benefit then surely still even pitting for a fresh set of mediums made more sense then staying on the slightly used set LH was currently on....or does the communication delay/ analysis time prevent quick responses?

or at the least, if they were so confident in track position over fresh rubber, then send your pit crew out in an attempt to trick Ferrari into making an extra stop. a call which the pit wall should have made and could have bought them a little more time to hear back from base.

i also dont like the uniformity in strategies...hedge your bets with whichever car of yours is running second....thats just old school race strategy no?

of course all hindsight but i feel like they are missing the tricks that used to be common place before the data/race simulation revolution took their racing instincts away.

anyways, glad to see Merc get defeated again by virtue of an over reliance on money and technology.
Ross Brawn and Ron Dennis would run the strategies in their heads.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 01:32 (Ref:3816084)   #112
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At the time and on reflection, Verstappen should have got a drive-thru. 10 seconds was somewhat lenient.
Would've thought that Fred's move should have at least been looked at by the stewards too, just barged his way through pushing Vettel off the track.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 01:40 (Ref:3816086)   #113
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Would've thought that Fred's move should have at least been looked at by the stewards too, just barged his way through pushing Vettel off the track.
Agreed.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 03:21 (Ref:3816095)   #114
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At the time and on reflection, Verstappen should have got a drive-thru. 10 seconds was somewhat lenient.
I would agree if Vettel wasn't so wide on turn in. But there was room for verstappen there, as much as there was for ricciardo on bottas.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 06:06 (Ref:3816106)   #115
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From what I remember, it might have started off similar, but Ricciardo managed to get alongside, if not ahead, by the corner and made the apex. Verstappen did not.
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Old 17 Apr 2018, 06:37 (Ref:3816110)   #116
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Max just dive bombed, instead of having a go at the inside. That's why he got the penalty
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The best overtake of the race was Bottas on Raikkonen, yet he's not getting the headlines he deserves for it.

The move was absolutely sublime.
He positioned his car perfectly, lost no traction or momentum and gave Kimi all the room they both required.

It was so perfect it was all too easy to overlook.Sure the Red Bull drivers pulled off some exciting stuff, not Max so much, but none had the understated class of the Bottas move.
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From what I remember, it might have started off similar, but Ricciardo managed to get alongside, if not ahead, by the corner and made the apex. Verstappen did not.
Yes, that was the difference.

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The best overtake of the race was Bottas on Raikkonen, yet he's not getting the headlines he deserves for it.

The move was absolutely sublime.
He positioned his car perfectly, lost no traction or momentum and gave Kimi all the room they both required.

It was so perfect it was all too easy to overlook.Sure the Red Bull drivers pulled off some exciting stuff, not Max so much, but none had the understated class of the Bottas move.
Agreed.
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Agreed as well. And it was not one of the divebombs that both Red Bull drivers practice. The main difference is that Ricciardo manages to hit the apex where Verstappen usually does not and pushes the outside line driver away.

The thing that amazes me: how can Ricciardo's Red Bull brake so late compared to other cars and still hit the apex? Question of a lift and cost situation where the leading driver feels "too safe"? The way Ricciardo usually does this is by braking a good 5-10m later than the others and basically coming out of nowhere.
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