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Old 28 Apr 2018, 11:51 (Ref:3817878)   #26
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N. Hulkenberg turn for a gear box penalty which is 5 places
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Old 29 Apr 2018, 00:43 (Ref:3817979)   #27
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N. Hulkenberg turn for a gear box penalty which is 5 places
Leaps up the points table to be equal leader.
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Old 29 Apr 2018, 10:45 (Ref:3818046)   #28
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Old 7 May 2018, 21:17 (Ref:3820659)   #29
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and Sirokin has 3 for this weekend race (that due to the 1st lap of the Baku GP)

I think we need an update please
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Old 7 May 2018, 21:30 (Ref:3820671)   #30
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And Sirotkin didn’t even get interviewed before the penalty. There seems to be quite a few grid penalties this season
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Old 8 May 2018, 10:48 (Ref:3820770)   #31
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and Sirokin has 3 for this weekend race (that due to the 1st lap of the Baku GP)
Maybe, maybe not.




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Old 8 May 2018, 10:57 (Ref:3820773)   #32
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Old 8 May 2018, 13:02 (Ref:3820792)   #33
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Maybe, maybe not.



Appeal rejected. Penalty remains.

FIA seem pretty critical of Williams at the same time - listing 10 reasons for rejecting the appeal....
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Old 9 May 2018, 00:16 (Ref:3820933)   #34
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Appeal rejected. Penalty remains.

FIA seem pretty critical of Williams at the same time - listing 10 reasons for rejecting the appeal....
With, we the stewards will just do as we please and you will accept it:

"9. Differing penalties imposed or incidents where no further action was taken, cannot be regarded as a new element."
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Old 9 May 2018, 02:50 (Ref:3820946)   #35
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Can we have an update, before this weekend's Spanish Gp?
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Old 9 May 2018, 08:11 (Ref:3820970)   #36
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Remember when qualifying used to decide the grid? Happy days!
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Old 9 May 2018, 10:23 (Ref:3820998)   #37
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Liberty now saying they want to abolish all grid penalties.

Cue people on FB and Twitter saying what a great idea that is followed a few races after it happens by the same people moaning about teams not getting grid penalties for deliberate acts.
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Old 9 May 2018, 10:30 (Ref:3821002)   #38
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Liberty now saying they want to abolish all grid penalties.
Not entirely true. FOM are looking to change the gearbox penalty rules (from 2021) to something like what is currently in place for PU.

Example; 3 gearboxes per driver per year. Change gearboxes whenever you feel like it, but if you use more than 3 you will receive a penalty.
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Old 9 May 2018, 10:40 (Ref:3821003)   #39
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Not entirely true. FOM are looking to change the gearbox penalty rules (from 2021) to something like what is currently in place for PU.
With their overall aim to be abolishing grid penalties - Whiting: "We would like to get rid of all grid penalties, if we could,"
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Old 9 May 2018, 13:59 (Ref:3821041)   #40
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Liberty now saying they want to abolish all grid penalties.

Cue people on FB and Twitter saying what a great idea that is followed a few races after it happens by the same people moaning about teams not getting grid penalties for deliberate acts.
If it's deliberate, then impose the penalty or fine the team.
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Old 9 May 2018, 14:03 (Ref:3821042)   #41
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Exactly, don’t punish every mistake
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Old 9 May 2018, 18:13 (Ref:3821107)   #42
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Liberty now saying they want to abolish all grid penalties.

Cue people on FB and Twitter saying what a great idea that is followed a few races after it happens by the same people moaning about teams not getting grid penalties for deliberate acts.
It may sound obvious, but I think the goal of grid penalties is to impact race results. Such as you do something wrong, you should not be rewarded with standing on the podium.

If we talk about other types of penalties (i.e. points, or monetary fines), then we increase the risk of situations in which someone "wins" the race, but really doesn't win (i.e. no or reduced points) or the win was bought (i.e. financial penalty allows unfair advantage to remain). Fan outcry will be just as intense.

I think the solution for grid penalties is to... rework the rules so that it is less likely for teams to incur infractions that would trigger grid penalties. With many being longevity requirements that clearly manufactures have a hard time achieving. In short, clearly the system of power unit component longevity requirement is the root cause and is broken. Fix that, not the penalty system.

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Exactly, don’t punish every mistake
I would love to see how rules can be written in a way to segregate purposeful and accidental infractions. Can of worms!

"Sorry! We didn't mean for the car to be underweight! We will do better next time. We do get to keep the win right?"

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Old 9 May 2018, 20:12 (Ref:3821133)   #43
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Really it’s got to a point, where qualifying can be completely irrelevant. Really I think they need to tread carefully with these grid penalties

But we should still punish illegal things, no excuse for a car being underweight or too wide
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Old 13 May 2018, 17:24 (Ref:3822137)   #44
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Hartley had to change a gearbox after his FP3 prang = 5 place grid drop
Grosjean causes the pile up = 3 place grid drop for next GP

Grosjean I think takes the lead in the penalty champilonship
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Grosjean causes the pile up = 3 place grid drop for next GP

Grosjean I think takes the lead in the penalty championship
To be honest. I'd have grounded him for Monaco after that. I think he can count himself lucky.
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Old 13 May 2018, 19:49 (Ref:3822167)   #46
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To be honest. I'd have grounded him for Monaco after that. I think he can count himself lucky.
Im with you.... that (three place penalty) equates to one penalty position for each car whose race he destroyed. Not enough.
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He’s gone back to the Grosjean of old
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It certainly seems that way. I can't see Haas putting up with his mistakes for much longer.
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Old 27 May 2018, 13:06 (Ref:3824919)   #49
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5 places again for Max Verstappen for change of gearbox and also keep this in. He also on his 3rd MGH of the year meaning there another pen coming up for him for when that next happens
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