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Old 2 Apr 2017, 18:39 (Ref:3723342)   #326
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veeten should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridveeten should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
well, that would be just the (Golden) ticket, wouldn't it?...
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Old 2 Apr 2017, 23:04 (Ref:3723375)   #327
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well, that would be just the (Golden) ticket, wouldn't it?...


What a livery though.

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Interesting. A *rebadged engine* in the back of the McLaren after the summer break?? Some noise suggesting so.
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Interesting. A *rebadged engine* in the back of the McLaren after the summer break?? Some noise suggesting so.
Around the same time as Alonso has said he'll decide on his future...
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Around the same time as Alonso has said he'll decide on his future...
'Re-badged'?? What?!!

Is Illien actually involved fully now then?

So it will be an 'Ilmor' with a Honda badge on it then?
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So, who will replace Alonso at Monaco?

Button? Gasly? Matsushita?
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So, who will replace Alonso at Monaco?

Button? Gasly? Matsushita?
Mr Giovinazzi?
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Mr Giovinazzi?
That would be great. Don't want to see some has been back in the car.
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Realistically there about 40 or 50 drivers who have a licence to race a F1 car and 20 or so of them are currently using them with another 10 or so contracted elsewhere so the options McLaren have are limited.
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Realistically there about 40 or 50 drivers who have a licence to race a F1 car and 20 or so of them are currently using them with another 10 or so contracted elsewhere so the options McLaren have are limited.
I read that on Joe Saward's blog too. Not many options for McLaren.
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There are only about 40 drivers who are qualified for superlicences in 2017 and most of them are not at all suitable for F1. Twenty-one of them are F1 drivers (if one includes Pascal Wehrlein and Antonio Giovinazzi). There are some test drivers, such as Sergey Sirotkin and Pierre Gasly and McLaren’s Young Driver Nyck de Vries, but he does not seem to be a likely choice at the moment. There are some Formula E drivers and a string of sports car stars, plus the retired Mark Webber.
Saward goes on to suggest a possible seat swap with one of the current Andretti Autosport drivers maybe on. In particular, Alex Rossi. Would help lift the profile of both sports.

How about Takuma Sato? Straight seat swap with Alonso? Sato has been a long time a Honda driver.
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I read that on Joe Saward's blog too. Not many options for McLaren.


Saward goes on to suggest a possible seat swap with one of the current Andretti Autosport drivers maybe on. In particular, Alex Rossi. Would help lift the profile of both sports.

How about Takuma Sato? Straight seat swap with Alonso? Sato has been a long time a Honda driver.
Andrew Benson suggests that Button has a contractual obligation to drive:

'He signed a contract with McLaren last autumn that committed him to replacing any race driver who was not able to take part in a grand prix this year.'
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But Alonso is able to compete, he is just choosing not to.

All in the words.
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Has to be Button. He needs a proper send off, like Massa got when he walked down the Brazil pit lane last year.... even if that did turn out to be a tad premature.
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I read that on Joe Saward's blog too. Not many options for McLaren.

Saward goes on to suggest a possible seat swap with one of the current Andretti Autosport drivers maybe on. In particular, Alex Rossi. Would help lift the profile of both sports.

How about Takuma Sato? Straight seat swap with Alonso? Sato has been a long time a Honda driver.
Sato tends to crash a lot. Rossi would be the better choice, plus he's won Indy which is good PR/marketing.
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di Resta is also hanging around the Williams garage, pretending to be a driver of some sort. That'd be a safe if unexciting pair of hands.
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Sato tends to crash a lot.
That could well suit. The driver would get the blame for the McLaren failing to finish, for a change.

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Agree. But it won't happen. Rossi wouldn't take up the offer even if was put to him.

As for who it will be, have a look at post #10 of this thread.
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As for who it will be, have a look at post #10 of this thread.
Or post #10 on the other thread discussing exactly the same topic....

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149976
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Or post #10 on the other thread discussing exactly the same topic....


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That could well suit. The driver would get the blame for the McLaren failing to finish, for a change.


Agree. But it won't happen. Rossi wouldn't take up the offer even if was put to him.

As for who it will be, have a look at post #10 of this thread.
I doubt it will happen either. Post #10 of this thread?
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'Re-badged'?? What?!!
A re-badged 'Mercedes F1 Technology' engine.

Seems as though Honda have finally surrendered. Their stubborn stance on Japanese technology only has got them no where, and they are now working with non Japanese technical assistance. Apparently from Brixworth.
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As I've just read elsewhere 2016 was a rubbish year for retiring. Is it time to re-launch the Webber to Renault thread?
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A re-badged 'Mercedes F1 Technology' engine.

Seems as though Honda have finally surrendered. Their stubborn stance on Japanese technology only has got them no where, and they are now working with non Japanese technical assistance. Apparently from Brixworth.
If there is any truth to this, those who are local may look out for McLaren / Honda personnel with Mercedes guys over at the George Inn - always used to see the Brawn F1 / Honda guys having lunch there, when that Brawn / Merc deal was coming together...
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There is a bit of history with Mercedes assisting their rival manufacturers since the hybrid V6 introduction. Mercedes assisted Renault to built a better engine after their disastrous 2014 campaign. This deal was helped because of the Renault-Nissan-Daimler partnership, which was formed in 2010, for their joint road car division.

Mercedes also (apparently) assisted Ferrari in 2015, to which an agreement in principle was rumoured to have been made between Niki Lauda, Sergio Marchionne and Bernie Ecclestone. Apparently for the good of the sport. This deal is something that was not spoken of much, but paddock insiders believe it did indeed happen. Proof of which is now apparent with Ferraris 2017 engine being on par with the Mercedes.

And now the paddock talk is that Honda and Mercedes have just recently begun working together to improve the Honda engine. With an improvement in engine performance expected after the summer break in August. This is probably where the rumours of McLaren seeking out Mercedes engines started a few weeks back.
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There is a bit of history with Mercedes assisting their rival manufacturers since the hybrid V6 introduction. Mercedes assisted Renault to built a better engine after their disastrous 2014 campaign. This deal was helped because of the Renault-Nissan-Daimler partnership, which was formed in 2010, for their joint road car division.

Mercedes also (apparently) assisted Ferrari in 2015, to which an agreement in principle was rumoured to have been made between Niki Lauda, Sergio Marchionne and Bernie Ecclestone. Apparently for the good of the sport. This deal is something that was not spoken of much, but paddock insiders believe it did indeed happen. Proof of which is now apparent with Ferraris 2017 engine being on par with the Mercedes.

And now the paddock talk is that Honda and Mercedes have just recently begun working together to improve the Honda engine. With an improvement in engine performance expected after the summer break in August. This is probably where the rumours of McLaren seeking out Mercedes engines started a few weeks back.
Is there any evidence to back this up?
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