New online motorsport courses

[OXFORD MIKE]

Hi,

Given one of the previous threads, I thought that some of you might be interested to learn about a number of new online motorsport courses which Oxford Brookes University has developed.

The first of these (Motorsport Data Acquisition) is currently live and being studied by Race Engineers in nine countries around the world. We worked very closely with industry, including people like Pat Symonds at RenaultF1 and MoTeC, to ensure that the content was geared towards what the racing community wanted. It uses real racing data and Case Studies (on a DVD) filmed at places like RenaultF1. The second is a Motorsport Chassis Dynamics course, developed as above, and covering: An Introduction to Motorsport Chassis Dynamics; The Dynamics of Racing Tyres; Advanced Motorsport Chassis Dynamics; Suspension Kinematics; Suspension Dynamics; and Laptime Simulation. The third is Business for Motorsport, which is of particular use if you want to start up a business, or move into management, or just understand more about the global motorsport industry. Both Chassis and Business course will go live in late summer 2008. We hope also to develop a Racing Engine Design course, with Geoff Goddard's input.

The courses are completely online, although there are optional 3-5 day intensive practical sessions ('bootcamps') where you come here and work on a fully-instrumented MoTeC-equipped Formula Renault car and use either our Multimatic 4-post rig (on the chassis course) or our Data Acquisition lab. There is no official start and end date for the courses, so you can be live on the course within 48 hours of registering, and have up to two years to complete.

In time, you will be able to achieve a full MSc Racecar Engineering using these courses.

More info can be found at:

http://msportknowledge.ac.uk

or:

http://tech.brookes.ac.uk

Thanks for reading and hope this is of interest.

Mike

[Rubinho]

What do the courses cost?

[ger80]

Depends on the courses, have a look on the flyers ...
Chassis:
http://www.msportknowledge.ac.uk//im...y07_lowres.pdf
Data:
http://www.msportknowledge.ac.uk//im...cquisition.pdf

How many courses are needed for getting a full MSc Racecar Engineering?

[Nero]

Interesting but without viewing the actual material it is difficult to know if it is good value for money.

[TEAM78]

The Motorsport Data Acquisition one looks like a useful one to do because there are no courses anywhere on this subject, I would like more info on this one, does it go into how to post process data in an efficient effective way?

[AU N EGL]

How many of these ON Line Course produce real Degrees and have the gradutes get real positions?

or are the one line course just fun learning for the student?

[ss_collins]

Aside from the fact the first post is a bit of an ad the topic is valid... I'm keen to try one of these courses and will when I get the time. Mainly to see what they are about, Brookes are one of the best if not the best motorsport/automotive course going so I have to say I expect it to be really strong. I don't think its about qualifications, but rather about knowledge... I also think they are not aimed at undergrads rather those in motorsport jobs already but want a greater understanding.

[Turby]

Originally Posted by ger80

Depends on the courses, have a look on the flyers ...
Chassis:
http://www.msportknowledge.ac.uk//im...y07_lowres.pdf
Data:
http://www.msportknowledge.ac.uk//im...cquisition.pdf

How many courses are needed for getting a full MSc Racecar Engineering?

Based on the DAQ flyer above the "module" is worth 20 CAT points and will cost £1400.

You need 180 CAT points for a masters in the UK...

[ger80]

The chassis module will cost £2450, so we maybe can say ~ £2000 per 20 CAT points -> £18000 for the master ....

[ubrben]

The DAQ one is £1100 and I've recently taken the plunge.

Ton answer a previous question - there is no significant training within it on interpreting data traces. If you want to learn in this area the best things to do would be attend a Claude Rouelle course and buy Jorge Segars' book from the SAE.

What the Brookes course does do very well is cover the fundamentals of signals, logging, how sensors work, etc - i.e. everything that's behind the squiggly lines you see on the screen. This is exactly what I wanted - so it meets my requirements and does it well.

I have access to data from the teams my company supplies with tyres and I wanted more info on where the data comes from.

I don't think that doing the course will make you necessarily more employable, but it certainly would give the student more knowledge to have the confidence to approach teams to do DAG work.

Ben

[Nero]

It is then expensive in a world market for such things, though there are few 'online' courses.

[Andrei]

It would be nice to get more detailed information about the DAQ course becuase I am trying to convinde my boss to pay the course.
I am currently working at Audi in the suspension development and do also some racing with them and I am basicly looking for a DAQ course. Normally, I would look for something in Germany, but have not found anything covering the entire spectrum of DAQ, only specialised courses for specific application - vibration, temperatures, so on.

Could I get more detailed information, not only the informations from the flyer?

[AU N EGL]

You could always as the instructor or school for previous students who have taken these course. Then ask those students what beneffits they recieved from these courses.

It the instructor or school is unwilling to give out past students names, that should tell you quite a bit right there. i.e. dont take it.

Education is just like any other consumer purchase, treat it as such.

Ex University Professer here.

[Andrei]

I wrote them also an e-mail today. Lets see what they answer...

[Casper]

You would think that the DA manufacturers would be doing things of this nature themselves. It has puzzled me for a long time why they haven't, AIM in the USA seems the most active in an affordable sort of way. Claude R. is way out of my league.

[AU N EGL]

Originally Posted by Casper

You would think that the DA manufacturers would be doing things of this nature themselves. It has puzzled me for a long time why they haven't, AIM in the USA seems the most active in an affordable sort of way. Claude R. is way out of my league.

and AIM has some of the worst customer service m& technical support. NONE

I also was looking at AIM for my car, but decied not too from other drivers who had it and sold it do to lack of support.