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Old 18 Sep 2008, 21:43 (Ref:2293387)   #16
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After a conversation with a team owner in the Winton DVS garages (read flooded tents) he mentioned that the feeling among competitors is that there is very little love (or support or $$$) pouring forth out of the big black truck for the DVS in general.

He also mentioned that the disquiet had built over time (in line with the evolution of being "second fiddle" ) that is, not getting their own events, but being support to the main game.

The Wakefield round is still a fave, because they get to be king, but if it goes, and the changes mentioned above are to be believed, a lot of the teams will become very interested in new paddock to play in, especially if they get more of a headline status.
Sounds like some people would rather be a big fish in a small pond instead of a little fish in the big pond. If thats the case they need to leave their egos at the door or take their bat and ball and play with someone else.

The DVS was originally intended as a development category for teams and drivers. Somewhere for the drivers to 'have a go' at a slower pace and get experience.

In 'the good old days' someone that wanted a drive at bathurst just turned up with their cheque book, the DVS was to give these weekend warriors (and aspiring stars) somewhere to gain experience. The category serves that purpose well.

Some people think that if they win the DVS championship that they will have team managers knocking at their door.... ummm.... sorry it isnt going to happen.

Drivers aspiring to get into the main game need to learn what is required of them off the track, how to deal with fans, sponsors etc, its not just about the driving. Anyone that wants to just race a V8 supercar can do do that on a modest budget in DVS as long as they accept they are not going to win races or make it to the main game. Those that just want cheap should go and play in another category and leave DVS to drivers that know why they are there.

Sponsors want to be seen at the main game and some realise that DVS is a cost affective way to be in front of the crowds, say they sponsor a V8 supercar, but without the cost of the main game. So again DVS serves its purpose.
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Old 18 Sep 2008, 22:21 (Ref:2293410)   #17
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Well I thought the DVS was where the drivers without the $$$ to buy a drive in the main series competed until they 1) found more $$ or 2) give up on their dreams.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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Old 19 Sep 2008, 00:27 (Ref:2293477)   #18
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Tony C I agree with you there.

Unless they decide to give the DVS a few stand alone rounds ( Wakefield is GREAT) The series is going out grow their current "support" status.

Dont bring the VE in untill 2010, because then the smaller teams that are upgrading to a VY is just gonna have a shell wasted wont they?

oh and one more thing.. Ditch the bloody tents and give them a REAL garage!!
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Old 19 Sep 2008, 00:52 (Ref:2293481)   #19
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Getting the Mallala round back as a stand alone event would be a good idea as well. There was always a fair sized crowd out there when the DVS was on !!!!
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Old 19 Sep 2008, 01:45 (Ref:2293497)   #20
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I didn't think that the VY/VZ was eligable for the Shannons series? But i guess anything can change for enough money.....
Yes but you l know which side has the money, and I can assure you it's not the Nationals side. Once again egos strike, these guys are the support act and the reason they now run as a support is that they were a failure as a stand alone. They are the understudies not the stars. A good turn out at Mallala or Wakefield is still not the sort of crowd that will excite the Great Mephisto and the Seven Network. Stand alone rounds mean stand alone TV and that's an unjustifiable expense at the moment.
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Old 19 Sep 2008, 02:34 (Ref:2293515)   #21
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Stand alone rounds mean stand alone TV and that's an unjustifiable expense at the moment.
I remember that being quoted as the reason for the disappearance of stand alone rounds.
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Old 20 Sep 2008, 04:39 (Ref:2294068)   #22
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With the VE being similar in length, width and height as the VZ, could the VZ chassis be reskined with a VE body?
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Old 20 Sep 2008, 05:41 (Ref:2294080)   #23
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Sounds like some people would rather be a big fish in a small pond instead of a little fish in the big pond. If thats the case they need to leave their egos at the door or take their bat and ball and play with someone else.

The DVS was originally intended as a development category for teams and drivers. Somewhere for the drivers to 'have a go' at a slower pace and get experience.
In 'the good old days' someone that wanted a drive at bathurst just turned up with their cheque book, the DVS was to give these weekend warriors (and aspiring stars) somewhere to gain experience. The category serves that purpose well.

Some people think that if they win the DVS championship that they will have team managers knocking at their door.... ummm.... sorry it isnt going to happen.

Drivers aspiring to get into the main game need to learn what is required of them off the track, how to deal with fans, sponsors etc, its not just about the driving. Anyone that wants to just race a V8 supercar can do do that on a modest budget in DVS as long as they accept they are not going to win races or make it to the main game. Those that just want cheap should go and play in another category and leave DVS to drivers that know why they are there.

Sponsors want to be seen at the main game and some realise that DVS is a cost affective way to be in front of the crowds, say they sponsor a V8 supercar, but without the cost of the main game. So again DVS serves its purpose.
What a honourable aim Tony!

Just cobblers: a second hand market for the V8SC main game is the only reason for the development series ... dont cop the spin !!
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Old 21 Sep 2008, 12:57 (Ref:2294609)   #24
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What a honourable aim Tony!

Just cobblers: a second hand market for the V8SC main game is the only reason for the development series ... dont cop the spin !!
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 02:15 (Ref:2294854)   #25
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What a honourable aim Tony!

Just cobblers: a second hand market for the V8SC main game is the only reason for the development series ... dont cop the spin !!
cavvy I dont need to cop the spin, I was involved in V8 supercars when DVS was developed so I know the truth.

Its a pity that there are so many 'experts' standing on the sidelines, if they got off their b.. and did something instead of talking about it we would have fantastic racing in australia.... we would have to have the best because they think they know everything...
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 04:16 (Ref:2294870)   #26
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What a honourable aim Tony!

Just cobblers: a second hand market for the V8SC main game is the only reason for the development series ... dont cop the spin !!
The spin doctors must be working overtime to get a good second hand market for V8SC up and running ???? They can only hope can't they..............
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 05:07 (Ref:2294881)   #27
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cavvy I dont need to cop the spin, I was involved in V8 supercars when DVS was developed so I know the truth.

Its a pity that there are so many 'experts' standing on the sidelines, if they got off their b.. and did something instead of talking about it we would have fantastic racing in australia.... we would have to have the best because they think they know everything...
Regardless Tony, its a part of the SEL business model - whether you were there or not.
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Old 22 Sep 2008, 06:31 (Ref:2294895)   #28
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cavvy I dont need to cop the spin, I was involved in V8 supercars when DVS was developed so I know the truth.

Its a pity that there are so many 'experts' standing on the sidelines, if they got off their b.. and did something instead of talking about it we would have fantastic racing in australia.... we would have to have the best because they think they know everything...
Tony, I don't doubt there was an up front intention that the DVS was hoped to become the development category.

Logic dictates that with the history of arrogance associated with VESA (& AVESCO prior) they would of course want all the young guns to come through their own series, showing the same sort of disregard for established classes of progression (FV, FF, Cup Car etc), as they do for established circuits.

To even suggest that there was never an intention to create a second hand market is a bit narrow minded, especially when the organisation writes its own rules about car construction, and componentry.

You can only race a 'supercar' as a supercar, they don't fit any other rules, as was recently proven when an alternative series attempted to allow superseded models to race, and got met by opposition from the parent organisation.


A great deal of the Auto-sport market in this country is finite, it can only sustain a certain number of B-double's and chassis, without the DVS, the main game teams would have to amortise the lead cost over a longer period, hence less cars built.



You only have to look at the recent 'garage sales' held by WPS & GRM to see the old wheels, tyres, brakes & panels (cars too in the WPS case) that are virtually unusable on anything but old V8's.


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Old 25 Sep 2008, 23:38 (Ref:2297988)   #30
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[quote=Tony C]cavvy I dont need to cop the spin, I was involved in V8 supercars when DVS was developed so I know the truth. [quote]

That may have been the intention of some well meaning individuals early on but I can tell you from the coal face (not from the side lines) that it has become nothing more than a second hand car yard now.
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