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Old 6 Jan 2009, 14:28 (Ref:2366423)   #1
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Is it just me or does more need to be done to promote the championship and also get better tv time instead of the 2 or 3 weeks later that we got last summer. The championship is awesome the racing has far more action than the aussie v8s so why doesnt it get much publicity?
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Old 6 Jan 2009, 20:47 (Ref:2366633)   #2
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Is it just me or does more need to be done to promote the championship and also get better tv time instead of the 2 or 3 weeks later that we got last summer. The championship is awesome the racing has far more action than the aussie v8s so why doesnt it get much publicity?

I have been asking the same question, it also appears that crowd numbers are down. I attended round 1 at Taupo and the number of crew members out numbered the crowd. Maybe it is the cost to get in? Most of the support classes had bugger all cars ? the V8 racing was good, as always, but something is just not working.
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 05:12 (Ref:2366805)   #3
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does the Summer series actually have any entertainment value left??
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 14:08 (Ref:2367077)   #4
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The v8s are entertainment but i think they need more off track stuff as well
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 17:52 (Ref:2367209)   #5
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The v8s are entertainment but i think they need more off track stuff as well
What would you suggest as suitable off track entertainment / promotion / stuff?
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 19:28 (Ref:2367262)   #6
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I hate the series that try to provide stuff on track that wastes time that could be used for racing.

I would like to see some show and shine type events to bring along the boy racers that is one market area that needs to be tapped by racing promoters.
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 19:37 (Ref:2367264)   #7
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Well why don't MSNZ get involved with the dift serie and add them to the bill as well instead of the mini clas as they only had about 15 cars at the ruapuna round.

It makes sense to draw on the what the crowd they pull and the young people will follow the difting anywhere...... But MSNZ are only after the $$$
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Old 7 Jan 2009, 20:11 (Ref:2367292)   #8
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I'm not to sure you wouldn want to bring them on the card but as Lunch time fun they could be OK. This is the market that needs to be brought to the track.
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Old 8 Jan 2009, 14:27 (Ref:2367686)   #9
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What would you suggest as suitable off track entertainment / promotion / stuff?
Beer festival at every round . Kids entertainment . Show cars- American and aussie only no jap crap
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Old 8 Jan 2009, 22:34 (Ref:2367981)   #10
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Well why don't MSNZ get involved with the dift serie and add them to the bill as well instead of the mini clas as they only had about 15 cars at the ruapuna round.

It makes sense to draw on the what the crowd they pull and the young people will follow the difting anywhere...... But MSNZ are only after the $$$
15!!?? Thats almost three times the number of cars that started the last race at the Taupo NZV8 Round
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Old 9 Jan 2009, 22:23 (Ref:2368610)   #11
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MSNZ need to go to a decent SNZ Championship meeting to see how to draw a crowd and entertain them.

i took the wife and 9y-o son to the SNZ Superstock Champs last weekend, their first proper speedway meeting, and they are both more than keen to go back, unlike their attitude to MSNZ meetings.Entry cost was twice that of an MSNZ tier 1/2 meeting, but was well worth it.

NZ SUPERSTOCK CHAMPS:
10 hours qualifying/racing over 2 nights;
36 races;
next class warming up while previous winner does his victory lap;
mainly decent fields with passing;
decent programme with several pages of kids "to-do's";
"dry" venue means no drunken ******s yelling obscenities in earshot of kids;

MSNZ TIER 1 (Levels):
12 hours qualifying/racing over 2 days;
21 races;
large gaps built in to schedule for track repairs/ vehicle recovery;
mainly small fields that are too scared to pass as the penalties are too high for 'aggressive' driving;


Drifting was tried here a few years back, but is one of the most boring forms of motorsport created, but: if there was half a dozen drift cars cars ready to scramble to put in a show between races, on parts of the track not affected by repairs/ vehicle recovery i think it would be a hit, likewise having some stunt riders/drivers present to fill in some gaps;
get rid of the "parade" laps/ laps of honour;
deduct points from drivers that don't attend PR events off track. wife and son dissapointed in the waste of time and effort for the few vehicles/drivers that bothered to do the parade through town and attend signing session.
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Old 9 Jan 2009, 23:42 (Ref:2368656)   #12
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It's called "This is what being the second most popular V8 Touring Car Category in NZ looks like".

The root question is what's the difference between V8 Supercars and NZV8's?
For the punters, probably not a lot. With the exception of V8 Supercars having the profile, the coverage, the PR and the stars.... So why would you go to a NZV8 meeting?

It doesn't matter how 'good' the racing is, it doesn't matter if they serve booze (I would suspect the V8 Supercars get a few more people at Hamilton that ANY SNZ event ever), it doesn't matter what entertainment you put on between races (it's getting punters in the gates.. not keeping them that's the problem.)....

The solution is finding something that's different to V8 Supercars, that's sexier to average joe punter than V8 Supercars and doing that.... until then, MSNZ will continue to see hundreds of people wearing HRT and 888 shirts and wonder why none of them are coming to see NZV8's...

The good news is that the NZRFU are in exactly the same boat... why won't people go watch provincial rugby??? Because regardless of how good or bad the rugby actually is, the perception is that it's not "the big show".

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Old 9 Jan 2009, 23:53 (Ref:2368659)   #13
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15!!?? Thats almost three times the number of cars that started the last race at the Taupo NZV8 Round
So I'm guessing there's no minimum numbers contractual obligation for the promoters of the Mini series??
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Old 10 Jan 2009, 03:12 (Ref:2368695)   #14
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It's called "This is what being the second most popular V8 Touring Car Category in NZ looks like".

The root question is what's the difference between V8 Supercars and NZV8's?
For the punters, probably not a lot. With the exception of V8 Supercars having the profile, the coverage, the PR and the stars.... So why would you go to a NZV8 meeting?

It doesn't matter how 'good' the racing is, it doesn't matter if they serve booze (I would suspect the V8 Supercars get a few more people at Hamilton that ANY SNZ event ever), it doesn't matter what entertainment you put on between races (it's getting punters in the gates.. not keeping them that's the problem.)....

The solution is finding something that's different to V8 Supercars, that's sexier to average joe punter than V8 Supercars and doing that.... until then, MSNZ will continue to see hundreds of people wearing HRT and 888 shirts and wonder why none of them are coming to see NZV8's...

The good news is that the NZRFU are in exactly the same boat... why won't people go watch provincial rugby??? Because regardless of how good or bad the rugby actually is, the perception is that it's not "the big show".
Wasn't this class originally based on the former big New Zealand Commodore Cup series (now defunct i believe) that ran over there for a while, but it now includes later models & the Fords?

After having a look at the tech regs for this category it seems very closely written to the old Commodore Cup regs with controlled parts, carbies etc.etc., it may be that they tried too hard to make them like V8's and in the process killed a very popular class?

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Old 10 Jan 2009, 04:59 (Ref:2368709)   #15
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One limitation NZ is always going to have for a while is population. For 4 million people there are a finite number of fans and sponsor dollars you are going to be able to suck out of it. Having seen NZV8's in person I think they do a fine job with the limitations they have. I think the actual racing is better from a spectator point of view than V8 Supercars. The cars are slower than a Supercar but the racing is much tighter. Personally I can't wait to drive one someday. For New Zealand, I think it is a good class considering the money available and the track size. And there does seem to be people involved that try to find ways of keeping costs in check.

All the support series are very good, all things considered, and the track remains hot for much of the day.

Being a student of international motorsport, my theory is that racing series are successful due to drivers not cars. In other words what brings people to the track is heroes and personalities. And it is the same with any sport. It's like watching the Olympics. If all they ever showed on tv was the events, you'd be bored. What is interesting is the personal stories about how people struggled, overcame obstacles, etc. etc. Gets you involved in watching and cheering on someone. Think about Dick Johnson. He was a run of the mill mid packer or worse most people never paid much attention to. Bathurst 1980 running a car he had sunk every penny in to, hits a rock, tears on tv, got people personally involved.

If NZV8's wants to be "bigger" then you have to have your villains and heroes. Fans have to know and care about the drivers. Until then you'll just attract the narrow segment of motor racing fans and you wont get the general public there.

Motorsport NZ. IMO FIA national clubs such as MNZ and CAMS need to stick with licensing, safety, track issues, marshaling, technical issues, etc. and leave the running of professional series to themselves. I don't believe a non profit club needs to be involved in management of race series and also I don't like so much power concentrated in the hands of one body. Let the market decide what series are popular or not.
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