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Old 9 Sep 2017, 01:49 (Ref:3765534)   #676
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That is a red herring either way. Maybe a professional organisation with the resources to allow a degree of competitor governance is the solution rather than a wealthy benefsctor?

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Old 9 Sep 2017, 02:50 (Ref:3765551)   #677
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Isn't Archer Capital ultimately the wealthy benefactor?
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Old 9 Sep 2017, 05:23 (Ref:3765578)   #678
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I wouldn't say that is an apples to apples comparison.
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Old 10 Sep 2017, 09:54 (Ref:3765788)   #679
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Aren't they both category managers?

If V8SC can't provide a more suitable schedule (as opposed to SMP) and better pit facilities / access - I don't think what label you use will change some of the competitors angst Mixer.
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Old 10 Sep 2017, 13:26 (Ref:3765857)   #680
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If V8SC can't provide a more suitable schedule (as opposed to SMP) and better pit facilities / access - I don't think what label you use will change some of the competitors angst Mixer.
It will be better just because Supercars is the organising body, just ask their fans.
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It will be better just because Supercars is the organising body, just ask their fans.
It will be better because the fighting between the categories will stop, and the evolution of the category will be based on economics and sensibilities rather than the interests of any one ownership group.

What would be great to see would be a franchise system for GT3 to generate income for the teams from naming rights partners and supporting championship sponsors. That's not a year one quick fix, but to create the possibility for teams to compete at all rounds snd perhaps have their tyre bill covered has to be a logical way forward..
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Old 11 Sep 2017, 00:39 (Ref:3765936)   #682
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It will be better because the fighting between the categories will stop, and the evolution of the category will be based on economics and sensibilities rather than the interests of any one ownership group.
Fighting between the categories?

You don't think that V8SC will push any interests via the category or that competitors will push their own agendas?
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It will be better because the fighting between the categories will stop, and the evolution of the category will be based on economics and sensibilities rather than the interests of any one ownership group.
Who was the main protagonist in the fighting between the categories?

Is that the solution to everything, Supercars takes over every category to "keep the peace" in Australian motorsport?

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What would be great to see would be a franchise system for GT3 to generate income for the teams from naming rights partners and supporting championship sponsors. That's not a year one quick fix, but to create the possibility for teams to compete at all rounds snd perhaps have their tyre bill covered has to be a logical way forward..
Do you really the vast majority of the people who fund GT racing in Australia are really worried about having their tyre bills covered?

The important players in the series are not MPC, McElrea Racing or Maranello Motorsport, the important players are the businmen who fund those teams & others by wanting to go racing. They seem in most cases happy to fund the cars themselves or splash their business across the cars.

Or is the Supercars solution to make AGT a "Professional" series with the removal of the Pro/AM driver requirement?

AM drivers make GT3 racing, and GT racing in general, the world over go around.
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What would be great to see would be a franchise system for GT3 to generate income for the teams from naming rights partners and supporting championship sponsors. That's not a year one quick fix, but to create the possibility for teams to compete at all rounds snd perhaps have their tyre bill covered has to be a logical way forward..
Its a good idea but-you have a franchise system for a series that has a lot of cashed up amateur drivers in it. In Supercars you get fines for non appearances, thats not gonna matter to a lot of those competitors who can't make it to one round-they're not gonna care, they'll just pay the fine and turn up next round. Its a completely different demographic. Oh you're gonna pay my tire bill, thats nice buts it loose change compared to what these people have.

GT racing has to cater to the amateurs as well as the pros, it a fine rope to walk but without the gentlemen putting the cash in the championship would suffer. And I'm not just talking about the amateurs in the cockpit........

Hopefully Supercars taking over the management role recognises this because they have to. There are some very wealthy individuals in that series, if you **** them off, theyre going elsewhere, they're not used to people saying no to them. I hope Supercars keeps on the likes of Ken Collier and Mat Coch, they're individuals with a lot of passion for the series and they do their job well, it'd be a sad day to see them go.
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Its a good idea but-you have a franchise system for a series that has a lot of cashed up amateur drivers in it. In Supercars you get fines for non appearances, thats not gonna matter to a lot of those competitors who can't make it to one round-they're not gonna care, they'll just pay the fine and turn up next round. Its a completely different demographic. Oh you're gonna pay my tire bill, thats nice buts it loose change compared to what these people have.

GT racing has to cater to the amateurs as well as the pros, it a fine rope to walk but without the gentlemen putting the cash in the championship would suffer. And I'm not just talking about the amateurs in the cockpit........

Hopefully Supercars taking over the management role recognises this because they have to. There are some very wealthy individuals in that series, if you **** them off, theyre going elsewhere, they're not used to people saying no to them. I hope Supercars keeps on the likes of Ken Collier and Mat Coch, they're individuals with a lot of passion for the series and they do their job well, it'd be a sad day to see them go.
As an example of it working, Mr Koundouris is absent from Sandown this weekend, and his car is still running, without him, with a replacement driver.

My thinking is around value creation. Having a limited number of licences to compete will assign them a some value by stealth. A driver can own a car and a licence, and onsell them to other people if/when they choose to do something else.

It doesn't create a barrier to entry when an owner can sell it off at or near the acquisition price.

Free tyres will help with running costs. Despite other views, in my experience, if something can be supplied for free, it relieves an argument about participating.
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My thinking is around value creation. Having a limited number of licences to compete will assign them a some value by stealth. A driver can own a car and a licence, and onsell them to other people if/when they choose to do something else.
What would you suggest is the solution for crash or mechanical damage that prevents a team from competing? Slug them with a franchise agreement breakage fine?
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What would you suggest is the solution for crash or mechanical damage that prevents a team from competing? Slug them with a franchise agreement breakage fine?
I am looking at it from the view of an incentive to compete rather than a stick for not doing so. That said, Supercar may not agree
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What would you suggest is the solution for crash or mechanical damage that prevents a team from competing? Slug them with a franchise agreement breakage fine?
Well it is how it works in Supercar land. Obviously there are ways around it.

Also not sure this sort of agreement can work in GTs because a lot of things are tied to the REC/chassis in Supercars.

What's good for the goose not necessarily good for the gander, but lets hope that what does evolve out of this is some form of self-determination.
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What would you suggest is the solution for crash or mechanical damage that prevents a team from competing? Slug them with a franchise agreement breakage fine?
Accident damage that could not be repaired in time would fall under force majeure, pretty standard in most agreements to appear. That is exactly how it works in Supercar.

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Well it is how it works in Supercar land. Obviously there are ways around it.
No it isn't - force majeure applies if the car can't be repaired. Would be much more of an issue for GT teams, cars not as easy to repair, smaller number of people on each team etc.

Personally I think that it's WAY too early to be getting stressed one way or the other on a REC structure. No doubt there'll be plenty to talk about when the ACTUAL plans for category management are finalised and announced.
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