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Old 19 Oct 2017, 15:28 (Ref:3775050)   #16
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Being an American, I have heard the national flag called the 'Red, white and blue', but it's not very common.
I notice at previous events, there has been an emphasis of the stars too from COTA - does an international audience make a difference to whether the stars, or just the colours would be emphasised?

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Old 19 Oct 2017, 15:33 (Ref:3775054)   #17
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Working with a few Americans (as I do at the moment) - they all say that they would not refer to their national flag by the name 'Red, white and blue'. They would generally refer to 'the star-spangled banner', the 'stars and stripes' or possibly 'old glory'.

Red, white and blue is a common colour combination in use for flags around the world - and arranged as they are in the poster is specific to The Netherlands (or possible a draped French flag).

Are silly posts with silly jokes no longer permitted? Must have missed that change in forum rules.
Finally! As an American, I feel I am truly qualified as an expert on a topic!

To the flag part... "Star-Spangled Banner" is the national anthem. Sort of related to the flag, but in this context... nobody here would refer to the American flag as "Star-Spangled Banner". That would generate some odd looks. "Star and Stripes" would be the most common nickname. Some may use "Old Glory" as well, but technically that is in reference to a specific history example, and less commonly used as a general reference.

To the point in question which is the Red, White and Blue. In a typical Americentrism view, we only think of "Red, White and Blue" as "our" national colors and ignore the fact that other countries use the same colors as well. And this is clearly not a "American" issue. People of different nationalities see what they want or know. Such as what IMHO, is clearly "Red, White and Blue" American colors for the US GP as the Dutch flag! To be honest as I didn't know what the Dutch flag looked like, I initially didn't get the joke. If anything it seems that the color Orange is more iconic for me with respect to Max and the Dutch in general

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Old 19 Oct 2017, 15:58 (Ref:3775058)   #18
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If anything it seems that the color Orange is more iconic for me with respect to Max and the Dutch in general
In true Americentric style (great amalgamation - love it), shouldn't you think of Orange as iconic to a county famous for customising bikes?

How colours represent things is such a strange one in the world of sport, and F1 is one such example.

British Racing Green, Silver Arrows, Red Cars - all bring to mind a certain team or image. Perhaps Verstappen's future lies at McLaren for colour purposes?

I can see how the circuit promoters would only associate Red, White and Blue with being American (possible uniquely), but the rest of the world (I would imagine) may typically expect some stars in there somewhere to associate the imagery as being 'American'.
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Old 19 Oct 2017, 17:09 (Ref:3775069)   #19
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In true Americentric style (great amalgamation - love it), shouldn't you think of Orange as iconic to a county famous for customising bikes?
Haha. Yeah, but with our short attention span (the TV show about them has been off the air for about five years), we have already forgotten about Orange County Choppers!

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Finally! As an American, I feel I am truly qualified as an expert on a topic!

To the flag part... "Star-Spangled Banner" is the national anthem. Sort of related to the flag, but in this context... nobody here would refer to the American flag as "Star-Spangled Banner". That would generate some odd looks. "Star and Stripes" would be the most common nickname. Some may use "Old Glory" as well, but technically that is in reference to a specific history example, and less commonly used as a general reference.

To the point in question which is the Red, White and Blue. In a typical Americentrism view, we only think of "Red, White and Blue" as "our" national colors and ignore the fact that other countries use the same colors as well. And this is clearly not a "American" issue. People of different nationalities see what they want or know. Such as what IMHO, is clearly "Red, White and Blue" American colors for the US GP as the Dutch flag! To be honest as I didn't know what the Dutch flag looked like, I initially didn't get the joke. If anything it seems that the color Orange is more iconic for me with respect to Max and the Dutch in general

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Yeah, I rarely hear anything but red, white and blue or stars and stripes. And often the stars and stripes is in contrast to the southern stars and bars. Star spangled banner to refer to the flag?? Haven't ever heard that in 40 years. I'm guessing the guys who did that red white and blue bargeboard wouldn't have a clue about it being another flag. And I'm with you about racing and football colors being more of the colors I think with countries than flags. And then I just wonder about Italy with red cars and blue football, and that took me a while to remember.


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Haha. Yeah, but with our short attention span (the TV show about them has been off the air for about five years), we have already forgotten about Orange County Choppers!

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Well and we all figured out quickly their bikes were terrible and often had to be purchased by the network as no one wanted an 80k bike after they saw the 'workmanship' that went into them.
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 09:30 (Ref:3775179)   #21
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Working with a few Americans (as I do at the moment) - they all say that they would not refer to their national flag by the name 'Red, white and blue'. They would generally refer to 'the star-spangled banner', the 'stars and stripes' or possibly 'old glory'.
Maybe your "co-workers" are Canadian, not American??


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Yeah, I rarely hear anything but red, white and blue or stars and stripes. And often the stars and stripes is in contrast to the southern stars and bars. Star spangled banner to refer to the flag?? Haven't ever heard that in 40 years.
Now that we've had some real expert opinions, back to the US F1 GP.

Is the track going to favour the Ferrari or the Mercedes cars?
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 09:52 (Ref:3775184)   #22
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Is the track going to favour the Ferrari or the Mercedes cars?
I think the biggest factor here will be the weather. The track will suit the Ferrari, as it goes well at all tracks. The question mark will be over the Mercedes and its capricious nature.

Toto has admitted previously that they are turning up to events and just don't know whether they will go well. They don't expect any issues at COTA, and if so then Hamilton will be sat in the best car on the grid by a long distance. If the 'Diva' appears though, then we should go onwards to Mexico and see the championship battle continue - which can only be good for adding to the appeal of upcoming races.
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Now that we've had some real expert opinions, back to the US F1 GP.

Is the track going to favour the Ferrari or the Mercedes cars?
I actually said: "Being an American, I have heard the national flag called the 'Red, white and blue', but it's not very common."
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How about that, and I always thought the colours used reflected the fact it was in Texas!
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If my memory serves me correctly the Mercedes does not like high temperatures, think Singapore and Malaysia so I expect Brazil of the upcoming GP's to be their most difficult.
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I actually said: "Being an American, I have heard the national flag called the 'Red, white and blue', but it's not very common."
That's probably why the few Americans I spoke to wouldn't refer to it that way. Obviously some do, but it's not a universal reference apparently.
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How about that, and I always thought the colours used reflected the fact it was in Texas!
Nah, Texas = orange.


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Nah, Texas = orange.
Well that's going to get confusing.
If we see someone wearing Orange in the crowd does that mean they're Texan, supporting McLaren or fans of Max?

As for someone in red, white and blue - who knows. Maybe got some old Marussia kit?
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i suppose not necessarily cutting edge technology, but pretty cool to read about these new glove sensors some of the teams will be trying out in FP1.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...-us-gp-967685/

cant say i recall reading about the earlier trials but i hope it works...sounds like a very sensible addition to the tools that the medical staff have in assessing injuries before they reach a crash scene.
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