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Old 29 Jul 2013, 00:02 (Ref:3283054)   #1
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So you're telling me that in that race Grosjean esentially deserved two drive through penalties? By now he's just getting picked on.

Disgraceful.
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Old 29 Jul 2013, 00:14 (Ref:3283058)   #2
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I certainly did feel sorry for him getting done for passing Massa 'off the track' at turn 4, it was a very ballsy move. But the thing that gets me, is during a normal lap you are able to put all 4 wheels over the line without penalty (although you get a speed advantage) but you do the same thing and get past someone you get a penalty. either everyone has to adhere to the track limits all the time or its a freefor all.
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Old 29 Jul 2013, 00:40 (Ref:3283066)   #3
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So you're telling me that in that race Grosjean esentially deserved two drive through penalties? By now he's just getting picked on.

Disgraceful.
Well for the Button incident it could of been justified due to the fact that he made contact with him while going wheel to wheel and then completely forgot to brake and cut the chicane which is considered 'gaining time off track'.

That's the only one he might of deserved
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Old 29 Jul 2013, 01:38 (Ref:3283086)   #4
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Well for the Button incident it could of been justified due to the fact that he made contact with him while going wheel to wheel and then completely forgot to brake and cut the chicane which is considered 'gaining time off track'.

That's the only one he might of deserved
People gotta race. I ain't saying it was all soft pillows but funny how the hammer always swings a certain way.
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Old 29 Jul 2013, 02:18 (Ref:3283097)   #5
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Well whether he deserved one or two penalties, the second one didn't affect his finishing position anyway. It was a completely pointless penalty, but probably deserved.

The one he didn't deserve was with Massa, that was very harsh I think. He had no choice but to go off track because he was like an inch away from Massa. McNish was too tough there.
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Old 29 Jul 2013, 03:14 (Ref:3283113)   #7
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The Button incident was 50/50 on whether he deserved a penalty and with his history he was likely to get one.

The Massa incident was fine. We've seen others do similar without penalty before.
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Grosjean is a racer,....Button squeals like a girl everytime he sees someone in his mirror.
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Old 29 Jul 2013, 07:26 (Ref:3283162)   #9
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Should he have been made to give the place back to Massa ? Yes it was a brave move but at the end of the day he overtook with all 4 off the track . Was it Germany last year when Vettel got 20 seconds for passing Button for the same thing dropping him down to 5th ? Although it did take the stewards 2 hours to make the decision !
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I like Grosjean. The main thing is he's genuinely proper fast, rattles other drivers and is seriously brave.

OK, he's still a little rough around the edges but that'll come. The Massa penalty was really harsh, the Button incident was just symptomatic of modern "over policed" F1.

And McNish called it, the most aggressive Sports Car bully on the track!
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Grosjean is a racer,....Button squeals like a girl everytime he sees someone in his mirror.
Speaking of squealing like a girl, who heard Vettels message when Kimi didn't just move over and let him past? I actually laughed out loud.

With reference to Grosjean, it almost seemed like they were making up for missing the penalty from when he passed Button, so I have no problem with it. Pass on Massa was awesome though! More of that please.
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Speaking of squealing like a girl, who heard Vettels message when Kimi didn't just move over and let him past? I actually laughed out loud.
Every driver tries that on, we are forever hearing teams, esp McLaren and Ferrari saying "yes we saw that, we are talking to Charlie".

With regards to Romain. Massa said he had no problem with the move but I do wonder if some drivers, when seeing Grosjean behind them, get their elbows out a bit more as they know that its Grosjean likely to be looked at.
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i felt really sorry for grosjean. they clearly thought his moves on button and massa were borderline and went looking for something to give him a penalty for.

button needs to mtfu - that was a racing incident. if you're not hard enough to defend properly or you're blatently going to get passed then it's kind of rude to go squealing about the other guy going through anyway. especially when you've positioned yourself on the track to cause maximum inconvenience.
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Old 29 Jul 2013, 11:11 (Ref:3283233)   #14
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Speaking of squealing like a girl, who heard Vettels message when Kimi didn't just move over and let him past? I actually laughed out loud.
That made me laugh too - especially as Kimi left Vettel far more room than Vettel left Grosjean on the run down to turn 1 at the start of the race.

I think Grosjean drove a great race to be honest. Wheel to wheel at the start, and he didn't put a foot wrong (who'd have thought that was possible last year, or even earlier this year) plus a fantastic move on Massa.

A bit clumsy with Button, to be honest, but not a major problem in my eyes.
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I agree that Grosjean drove a good & exciting race. The problem is (and the point is) that he couldn't have made either move stick at a track like Monaco where he would have ended up in the barriers.
Surely that's what the 'four wheels off' rule is all about?
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