[LM24 Race] 2016 24 Hours of Le Mans

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by JoeW04

Worried what this will do for toyotas future, I know they've supposedly committed for the next couple of years but I can see them pulling the plug

That was my immediate thought. Hopefully they'll come back even stronger. Having just got back from the circuit I can't describe how disappointed I feel after such a brilliant race.

[awegrzyn]

"I have no power" - traumatized for life.

[bobec]

Originally Posted by MihokS5

5 years now and no win...if I were Toyota I'd swallow my pride and leave. You cannot have any worse luck than losing with three minutes left. Would not be shocked if they leave

Why would they leave now, when they actually set the pace for most of the race? If it was like last year, yeah sure. But it would be silly yo leave now. Also, the competition seems a bit troubled right now, and Toyota has the potential for performance without having to sort out tricky issues like Audi, or make big changes like Porsche.

I also feel that the ACO wants Toyota to win LM.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

I wouldn't credit ganassi one bit.......drivers,multimatic,& ford $$$


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Completely disagree. Someone's got to direct and coordinate all that.

[sssssssss]

i too was thinking about whether this won't make them pull out of le mans, as they did back in '99. but that was the second time consecutively that they lost being the fastest and leading most of the race, after they did the same in '98.

[J Jay]

TMG are made of stern stuff so I cannot share these concerns about them pulling out of LMP1. Just give them time and I'm sure they will be back with renewed purpose.

[Articus]

So did the 82 Risi car get the podium or not? If not, that means a Ford 1-2-3 in GTE-Pro and no one wants the media PR onslaught from that kind of finish...

[Maelochs]

Chip Ganassi didn't get the job by Not being really good at the job.

[bobec]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Is it fair that the #5 Toyota isn't counted as a finisher? Not really, but that's not my call, or Audi's or Porsche's, either. You have to take that up with the ACO.

I guess it makes sense for an endurance race. You have to race until the clock runs out (and in this case also cross the line after that). Maybe they should consider classifying everyone who still runs after the 24hr mark, but sadly the Toyota stopped on track.

[sssssssss]

i really hope, but also expect a bitter vengeance from audi next year though. porsche proved last year was not a one-off like it was with peugeot in 2009. porsche know how to win le mans and they are more than capable to beat audi. so if audi want to stay in this game, they better come well prepared next yaer.

[Akrapovic]

The penalty for the 82 should never have been given. However, they ignored the penalty. Is it right that we start telling teams to ignore penalties they disagree with? I can see a massive fine coming for them to even out being allowed to keep the position. The penalty was BS but ignoring it is bad too.

I'm emotionally drained. I really was rooting for that Toyota for the last few hours. It was going to be great celebrations.

[Maelochs]

Still holding my breath, waiting for Eduardo Freitas to disqualify Risi ... but if that doesn't happen, then this was a fine race, very emotional, in fact heartbreaking …. Good racing, lots of drama.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

Chip Ganassi didn't get the job by Not being really good at the job.

Aww c'mon. We all know that Penske, Wyer, Neerspach, Joest etc. etc. mean/meant nothing at all. All worthless....

[Lasse]

Originally Posted by J Jay

TMG are made of stern stuff so I cannot share these concerns about them pulling out of LMP1. Just give them time and I'm sure they will be back with renewed purpose.

Without the support of the Toyota board, TMG's attitude does not really matter. No support, no money, no Le Mans for Toyota. Nobody know if this will be the case, but i would not be surprised if they closed the door on Le Mans.

[Maelochs]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

The penalty for the 82 should never have been given. However, they ignored the penalty. Is it right that we start telling teams to ignore penalties they disagree with?

I think it depends on the outcome of the appeal. If Race Control realize it erred, but the team stopped and held … Race Control can’t change that. If Race Control decides the penalty was correct, the team can be penalized. Until Race Control is perfect, teams need that leeway.

The team gets three laps anyway … so it was pretty close. Risi’s manager could argue that he would have pulled the car in after hashing it out with Race Control but didn’t have time.

Race Control could have DQ’d Risi … could have black-flagged them. The car was allowed to finish, which makes me thing Race Control rethought its decision.

I agree, the team should be penalized if it ignores a penalty and loses the appeal … but Risi was not black-flagged, so I have to guess Race Control relented.

[flyingshoppingcart]

One thing I don't get, how is it that Nakajima in the 5 stopped right at the finish line, before taking a few minutes to restart and make that final lap around? Was that honestly pure coincidence, or could there have been something else?

[blankfile]

I think he just went for a ctrl alt delete at that point

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by flyingshoppingcart

One thing I don't get, how is it that Nakajima in the 5 stopped right at the finish line, before taking a few minutes to restart and make that final lap around? Was that honestly pure coincidence, or could there have been something else?

He thought the race was over?

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by flyingshoppingcart

One thing I don't get, how is it that Nakajima in the 5 stopped right at the finish line, before taking a few minutes to restart and make that final lap around? Was that honestly pure coincidence, or could there have been something else?

I admire your determination to blame Nakajima.

[rdjones]

It's now nearly 2 hours since the race finished and I am still in shock at what happen. That one will be talked about for a long time to come.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by flyingshoppingcart

One thing I don't get, how is it that Nakajima in the 5 stopped right at the finish line, before taking a few minutes to restart and make that final lap around? Was that honestly pure coincidence, or could there have been something else?

'Wanted to cross the line under the cars own power as required to be considered a finisher. The cool down lap counts too, unfortunately.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by rdjones

It's now nearly 2 hours since the race finished and I am still in shock at what happen. That one will be talked about for a long time to come.

2 hours? It only seems like a few minutes a go.

[flyingshoppingcart]

Originally Posted by blankfile

I think he just went for a ctrl alt delete at that point

So he still had engine power, but simply decided to reboot at that spot?

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

He thought the race was over?

That's what it seemed like, but then he rebooted.

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I admire your determination to blame Nakajima.

I'm genuinely trying to be respectful here, I'm trying to understand what happened. Enough already with these silly personal comments. I overreacted with my initial comments.

I'm full of frustration though as many are, and I'm just trying to make sense of it.

[flyingshoppingcart]

Originally Posted by jimclark

'Wanted to cross the line under the cars own power as required to be considered a finisher. The cool down lap counts too, unfortunately.

So he planned to reboot at the finish line, or did he forget about the cool down lap?

[cokata]

That was just the most horrible thing in all sports that i have experienced after that 2005 CL final. It will really test toyota as a team now about how well they will pick themselves up.