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Old 10 Nov 2014, 16:33 (Ref:3473451)   #76
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Hello guys,
Does anyone of you have pictures about Peter Gethin's BT16?
Archives tell that he raced the car for the Motor Show '200', in 1966, at Brands Hatch and at Albi as well.

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Old 10 Apr 2017, 09:58 (Ref:3725256)   #77
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During my research on Alfa Romeo race cars, i have found and bought a collection of old race documents from he 60´s (entry sheets/technical inspection sheets) from Italy, these also included documents regarding the following cars:

F2-5-65
F2-8-65
F2-9-65
F2-12-65
F2-14-65
F2-18-65
F2-20-65
F2-21-65
F2-25-66
F2-29-65
F2-30-65
F2-33-65

I would like to sell these documents to the owners of the cars, so if you are an owner of any of these cars, please send me a private mail.

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Patrick Dasse
Hamburg, Germany
Hi Patrick i'm interested please email me to info@mgp1.com
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Old 10 Apr 2017, 10:04 (Ref:3725258)   #78
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Old 14 Apr 2017, 14:20 (Ref:3726370)   #79
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Bt 16

Hi thanks, any possibility to discover something more about the bt16:
F2-21-65?
Where gone after Bellasi?
To De Adamich or to Facetti?
Which are the main differences from bt15? Apart the engine sca/mae
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Old 14 Apr 2017, 17:13 (Ref:3726413)   #80
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Hi thanks, any possibility to discover something more about the bt16:
F2-21-65?
Where gone after Bellasi?
To De Adamich or to Facetti?
Which are the main differences from bt15? Apart the engine sca/mae
Gearbox, brakes, driveshafts, fuel tanks.
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Old 16 Apr 2017, 21:14 (Ref:3727189)   #81
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Gearbox, brakes, driveshafts, fuel tanks.
Ok thanks but may you explain me better about the differences of these parts in bt15 and bt16?
Thanks a lot
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Old 18 Apr 2017, 17:58 (Ref:3727614)   #82
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Brabham BT16-21-F2-65
One of the 4 cars of the Martinelli Sonvico Racing Team was used in a few races by Guglielmo Bellasi.
Last race for M&S 04.09.1966 Trofeo AGIP in Monza as F3 with Clay Regazzoni (Instead of Silvio Moser).



With the follow result.


The chassis without engine was purchased by Fredy Amweg CH, repaired and equipped with a 1.6l Lotus Ford. This car he had in use up to the sale 1971 to Hans Obrist CH.


Unfortunately, I could not find any further details about the remaining of this car.
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Old 22 Apr 2017, 22:23 (Ref:3728464)   #83
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Regarding the Brabham BT15 / 16 of the Martinelli & Sonvico Racing Team, we have created the following list for the book "Silvio Moser - Pilota indipendente":


http://www.silviomoser.ch/2014schedeBT15BT16.pdf
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Old 26 Apr 2017, 15:56 (Ref:3729328)   #84
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Fredy Amweg with the Brabham BT16-21-F2-65 on the Kerenzerberg (CH) hill race 29.09.1970.


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Old 7 May 2017, 15:33 (Ref:3731975)   #85
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The last picture you post about the chassis repaired made me compare with my BT16 (AM57). I mean that the roll hoop seems to be very similar and wheels to be at the same width.
In my case it is the opposite, I know the story from now to approximately the early 80's/late 70's. The last known owner was leading a Citroen garage in Marseille, France (specialized in Panhard, and I know by some people that he had had switzerland customers). I supposed the car has been crashed because pedals are wrong fitting and the oil tank has moved to the back. It might be a coincidence!

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Old 13 May 2017, 18:09 (Ref:3733262)   #86
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Images from BT16-21-F2-65 today received from a friend.






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Images from BT16-21-F2-65 today received from a friend.






Beat,
I have seen these photos before.
The car ended up in Belgium and I believe that it is now in the UK after passing through the hands of a dealer in the north of France.

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/bra...9/b16009ss.htm

Take a look at the photos. The specific roll hoop and rear bracing and the steering wheel are the same.
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The last picture you post about the chassis repaired made me compare with my BT16 (AM57). I mean that the roll hoop seems to be very similar and wheels to be at the same width.
In my case it is the opposite, I know the story from now to approximately the early 80's/late 70's. The last known owner was leading a Citroen garage in Marseille, France (specialized in Panhard, and I know by some people that he had had switzerland customers). I supposed the car has been crashed because pedals are wrong fitting and the oil tank has moved to the back. It might be a coincidence!

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AM57 was "restored" by a Mr Mathevet in France many years ago.
It had an MAE engine with twin downdraft carbs.
I have a few photos of the car going back to that time.
Because of the wrong pedal arrangement (and probably some other reasons), someone tried later on to sell this car as BT6 !

Incidentally, I owned a few years ago AM56 that had come from Switzerland and had been fitted with an ugly Sbarro bodywork.
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AM57 was "restored" by a Mr Mathevet in France many years ago.
It had an MAE engine with twin downdraft carbs.
I have a few photos of the car going back to that time.
Because of the wrong pedal arrangement (and probably some other reasons), someone tried later on to sell this car as BT6 !

Incidentally, I owned a few years ago AM56 that had come from Switzerland and had been fitted with an ugly Sbarro bodywork.
You are definitly right, we were in contact a few years ago.
At the moment I know the previous owner before Mr Mathevet. His name was Mr Henri Pugnot (as I mentioned above he was leading a Citroen garage in Marseille, France) but apparently he passed away. I am still looking for the contact of his son, Claude.
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Beat,
I have seen these photos before.
The car ended up in Belgium and I believe that it is now in the UK after passing through the hands of a dealer in the north of France.

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/bra...9/b16009ss.htm

Take a look at the photos. The specific roll hoop and rear bracing and the steering wheel are the same.
Clearly the same car!


Then would be clarified around which BT16 it is exactly?
Sonvico & Martinelli bought two new BT16s in 1965 BT16-09-F2-65 and BT16-21-F2-65.


If Sonvico did not make a mess, the BT16-09-F2-65 was sold to New Zealand bevor September 66 and should have been there in 2003 after a mail I received.


There was then still the somewhat later bought BT16-02-F2-65, which was at that time until the sale in spring 1967 in the garage Silvio Moser.


So the Monza accident car had been the BT16-21-F2-65. That this accidental chassis was sold to Fredy Amweg is unambiguous. Fredy Amweg has done the repair and modifications in his workshop. Including the steering wheel made by himself.



However, in the link http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/bra...9/b16009ss.htm it is called BT16-09-F2-65.


So the @Maxwalker named car with AM57 has nothing to do with it?


No one was known at Sonvico the AM numbers, the AM41 number is for which chassis correct.


Perhaps someone know the correct AM numbers of the following chassis?
BT16-02-F2-65
BT16-09-F2-65
BT16-21-F2-65
BT15-16-F3-65

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