Code 60 for UK

[Slipstick]

A lot the time you'll have other cars round you. If you keep your distance to them fairly constant I imagine that would be close enough. Of course they might only be guessing too but I bet you'd get away with it.

Steve

[MGDavid]

T-T, I don't have a formula, I just worked it out on the back of an envelope (really!) as a little logic problem using simple arithmetic. But as Max says there's plenty of resources on the net....

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by rotation

My bad. I was on my own and could only wave one yellow.

Gazza (funny man!) shows you how

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F07F8bBFR7Y

[midgetman]

TT this looks pretty handy

http://www.endtuning.com/gearratios/

If you drive a BMW it even gives you the ratios!



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[Peter Scillitoe]

Well, that didn't last long. Understand that today the BRSCC announced that it had suspended the use of the Code 60 procedure for all remaining meetings this season due to customer pressure. With immediate effect they will be returning to the use of a Safety Car for all remaining meetings this season.

[Woolley]

That's fine. I trust the competitors have guaranteed to properly obey the yellow flags instead, which is all we really need.

[Norbert]

Originally Posted by Woolley

That's fine. I trust the competitors have guaranteed to properly obey the yellow flags instead, which is all we really need.

We can but dream!

[Dave Brice]

Originally Posted by Peter Scillitoe

Well, that didn't last long. Understand that today the BRSCC announced that it had suspended the use of the Code 60 procedure for all remaining meetings this season due to customer pressure. With immediate effect they will be returning to the use of a Safety Car for all remaining meetings this season.

Can't say as i'm surprised after seeing it used @ their meeting @ Cadwell in May.

[The Fat Clerk]

Originally Posted by Dave Brice

Can't say as i'm surprised after seeing it used @ their meeting @ Cadwell in May.

It's good to see common sense prevail

[Rob Williams]

As For the CSCC, we will continue to use Code 60 in racing, yes it has its problems, but with work it should be a help in running a meeting, to timetable and for the competitors.

Robert Williams
CofC
CSCC

[Chris Hobson]

The flag works, and works well elsewhere - but - it needs good competitor briefings before deployment, discipline in use, and enforcement of responses by competitors.

[rbs]

Originally Posted by Chris Hobson

The flag works, and works well elsewhere - but - it needs good competitor briefings before deployment, discipline in use, and enforcement of responses by competitors.

It also needs good stewards & clerks to jump on those that transgress.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Rob Williams

As For the CSCC, we will continue to use Code 60 in racing, yes it has its problems, but with work it should be a help in running a meeting, to timetable and for the competitors.

Robert Williams
CofC
CSCC

All solutions are imperfect. This should be less imperfect How many times have you used it so far? How'd it go?

(Although I'm just up for a car that car do 60 at the moment )

I wonder if the ARDS could incorporate it? Or maybe the opportunity to have code 60 for the last few minutes of each practice for a few meeting for us to practice? And then a refresher once a year?

[deley]

Originally Posted by Rob Williams

As For the CSCC, we will continue to use Code 60 in racing, yes it has its problems, but with work it should be a help in running a meeting, to timetable and for the competitors.

Robert Williams
CofC
CSCC

Good to hear

Dave

[deley]

Originally Posted by Chris Hobson

The flag works, and works well elsewhere - but - it needs good competitor briefings before deployment, discipline in use, and enforcement of responses by competitors.

Spot on Chris.

There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Code 60... there are some things wrong with how it was introduced and how it has been used on occasions but this is all something that could be fixed.

Dave

[Norbert]

It was used during the Thruxton CSCC meeting earlier this year.

I requested it so that we could move a car that had neatly parked itself backwards into Post 12.

It was deployed, and as soon as the field in my sector had slowed, my guys were able to safely push the car behind the post.

It was only out for about half a lap and then withdrawn and racing continued as if nothing had happened.

[exflagman]

Originally Posted by Peter Scillitoe

Well, that didn't last long. Understand that today the BRSCC announced that it had suspended the use of the Code 60 procedure for all remaining meetings this season due to customer pressure. With immediate effect they will be returning to the use of a Safety Car for all remaining meetings this season.

Is that 'customer pressure' from the drivers who have lost the opportunity to catch up that the Safety Car provides?

[SouthportFC Fan]

Originally Posted by exflagman

Is that 'customer pressure' from the drivers who have lost the opportunity to catch up that the Safety Car provides?

Turkeys don't vote for Christmas......

[NICK ALLISON]

Code 60 the key to making it work is the simultaneous deployment all round a circuit and again the same when it is withdrawn. It also eliminates the pit callers and tail enders playing " catch up" at racing speed when the safety car is deployed .

[Terrible-Tones]

Originally Posted by NICK ALLISON

Code 60 the key to making it work is the simultaneous deployment all round a circuit and again the same when it is withdrawn. It also eliminates the pit callers and tail enders playing " catch up" at racing speed when the safety car is deployed .

Yes indeed, but....but playing "catch up" seems to be exactly what is happening is some cases....

The other key is that drivers OBEY the thing. I have seen timing sheets with lists of speeds ranging from 60kph up to 85+kph - and in some races where I have seen it used, after a couple of laps or more we ended up with a train of cars exactly like a SC train - without the SC - so drivers basically, and unashamedly, caught up the car in front.

I suspect "customer pressure" is maybe from the long list of drivers who have been pinged heavily for infringements - though of course I do not know that for sure.

[Lancsbreaker]

Looking at the times on TSL for the CSCC meeting at Castle Combe today in the Swinging Sixties Gp2 race, there were 3 - 4 laps under Code 60, and it is blatantly obvious that the lower order cars were circulating some 10 - 15 seconds quicker than the leaders.........

Wonder if anyone monitors this?

[Bodysnatcher]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Looking at the times on TSL for the CSCC meeting at Castle Combe today in the Swinging Sixties Gp2 race, there were 3 - 4 laps under Code 60, and it is blatantly obvious that the lower order cars were circulating some 10 - 15 seconds quicker than the leaders.........

Wonder if anyone monitors this?

Thanks for pointing out the TSL data, it does indeed make interesting reading.

Looking at the lap analysis of race 3, which is the one i assume you are referring to, the best info regards times/speeds are laps 3,4 & 5 which would have been the full laps under code 60.

60kph = 37.2823mph

the only car to exceed 38mph (once - lap 4) was the 16th place finisher.
car 118
lap 4 - 2:52.905 38.51 mph
the leaders corresponding lap was
lap 4 - 3:12.446 34.60mph

the 8th placed car was closest to the target time/speed
lap 5 - 2:58.674 37.27 mph

So the closing came mostly from the leader being nearly 14 seconds slower than required, and car 118 being 6 seconds faster.

There appear to be about 6 others that infringed the 60kph lap time, but usually by about a second. Any gains for the lower orders appear to be more due to them being closer to the target 60kph lap time.

Perhaps only car 118 should have been penalised


http://www.tsl-timing.com/file/?f=CS.../173264c60.pdf
pages 39 to 42

[Tall Chris]

A sound analysis Alasdair, however I have witnessed cars closing the gap by driving the shortest distance around the circuit rather than taking the racing line, same speed, but less distance travelled per lap compared to others.

[Slipstick]

Originally Posted by Tall Chris

A sound analysis Alasdair, however I have witnessed cars closing the gap by driving the shortest distance around the circuit rather than taking the racing line, same speed, but less distance travelled per lap compared to others.

I like it, that's clever. Since they're not racing why would they stick to the racing line? Provided they don't overtake they've done nothing wrong.

I don't think it would set a good precedent to start penalising racing drivers for doing something intelligent .

Steve

[Lancsbreaker]

Interesting - thanks for that analysis, Alasdair.

Confess it hadn't occured to me that taking the non-racing line could make such a difference in lap distance........I wonder how the circuit length is actually calculated.......inside kerb, outside kerb, a theoretical mid-line of the circuit?