Holden to Renew HRT With WP? - Page 3

peckstar · 16 Jun 2016, 09:53 (Ref:3650416)

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Originally Posted by mayhem

Who bought in last year?

No one bought in. they sold a chunk to Superblack though, previously they had sold a chunk to V8SC

sizzle · 16 Jun 2016, 11:55 (Ref:3650441)

An unsubstantiated whisper out of the paddock is that the team may have been sold to a person formally involved in the industry.

Umai Naa · 16 Jun 2016, 12:36 (Ref:3650449)

The industry, or the catagory itself?

Could be a few potentials there.

mayhem · 18 Jun 2016, 02:49 (Ref:3651161)

After all the internal reshuffling, the once mighty HRT has qualified 17th (#22) and second last (#2).

How long until the "We're concentrating on the enduros" press release?

xrystl · 18 Jun 2016, 07:43 (Ref:3651202)

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Originally Posted by mayhem

After all the internal reshuffling, the once mighty HRT has qualified 17th (#22) and second last (#2).

How long until the "We're concentrating on the enduros" press release?

Congrats to HRT and Courtney and Tander , the Engineering reshuffle has worked a treat , Just can't wait for the next race

sizzle · 18 Jun 2016, 10:39 (Ref:3651275)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

The industry, or the catagory itself?

Could be a few potentials there.

Category

Heard it was a couple of brothers... Or Bro's eh?

Umai Naa · 19 Jun 2016, 02:29 (Ref:3652489)

I suspict so es will...

F J Nedos · 19 Jun 2016, 02:33 (Ref:3652491)

Stone bros running holders??

Umai Naa · 19 Jun 2016, 03:18 (Ref:3652525)

Does it really matter?

They're already running a semi-works Aston Martin gig in SE Asia.

Mixer · 19 Jun 2016, 05:52 (Ref:3652640)

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Originally Posted by F J Nedos

Stone bros running holders??

So I don't claim to have a powder room but a current supercar sponsor told me he had heard they are looking in, not specifically with regard to WP mind you.

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**GTRMagic** · 19 Jun 2016, 06:35 (Ref:3652671)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Heard it was a couple of brothers... Or Bro's eh?

...who have access to a recent spec 888 VF CotF in their shed?

Could be interesting....

**GTRMagic** · 21 Jun 2016, 00:31 (Ref:3654011)

HRT To Have Post Hidden Valley Review

More talking... to go with the more talking...

When the doing is the bit that seems to be not working...

Tourer · 21 Jun 2016, 02:13 (Ref:3654044)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

HRT To Have Post Hidden Valley Review

More talking... to go with the more talking...

When the doing is the bit that seems to be not working...

Think you're being a bit harsh there GTR - reading the article there's been plenty of doing as well as the talking but ultimately, the talking is important to provide direction for the doing.

Sounds like the change in Darwin was positive for the 22 but maybe not so much for the 2.

**GTRMagic** · 21 Jun 2016, 03:18 (Ref:3654051)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Think you're being a bit harsh there GTR - reading the article there's been plenty of doing as well as the talking but ultimately, the talking is important to provide direction for the doing.

Sounds like the change in Darwin was positive for the 22 but maybe not so much for the 2.

HRT is the Official Factory Team of Holden.. they have been struggling for YEARS... and despite umpteen personnel changes across that time, big dollars on engines, moving from two cars to three cars to four cars and back to two cars, nothing seems to work to transform their ontrack performance.

Its sad to see an icon so at sea..

peckstar · 21 Jun 2016, 03:24 (Ref:3654053)

One thing needs to change, been saying it for years

They have no genuine motor racing figurehead at the top

Tourer · 21 Jun 2016, 06:39 (Ref:3654082)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

HRT is the Official Factory Team of Holden.. they have been struggling for YEARS... and despite umpteen personnel changes across that time, big dollars on engines, moving from two cars to three cars to four cars and back to two cars, nothing seems to work to transform their ontrack performance.

Its sad to see an icon so at sea..

Agree, it is sad. I get the feeling they're close but then that can be said re quite a few teams. The game isn't easy is it? I think these days that both HRT and RBR have official factory team status don't they?

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Originally Posted by peckstar

One thing needs to change, been saying it for years

They have no genuine motor racing figurehead at the top

Well they had Mark Skaife at the top and that didn't work for them. In regard to the team, Adrian Burgess is most definitely a motor racing figurehead with a helluva task.

Kingair · 21 Jun 2016, 08:42 (Ref:3654103)

The Eddie McGuire saga, has Holden's sponsorship of Collingwood being worth $3 million a year.

peckstar · 21 Jun 2016, 10:24 (Ref:3654115)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Well they had Mark Skaife at the top and that didn't work for them. In regard to the team, Adrian Burgess is most definitely a motor racing figurehead with a helluva task.

your theory sounded good, so i sunk some lira into research

Mark Skafe 2003-2008 (6 years) 4 top Five in the championship 43 Race wins including 3 enduro wins
Tom Walkinshaw 2009-2010 (2 years) 3 top Five in the championship 11 race wins including 2 enduro wins
Ryan Walkinshaw 2011 to current (5.5 years) 1 top 5 in the championship, 11 race wins, including 1 enduro win (and i will add, 4 wins including the enduro happened in the first year 2011 as did the only top 5 championship finish)

Unfortunately HRT are at a low, maybe its courtney thats caused the downhill, but ive been saying for years, No genuine figurehead at the top, Every other major team has one

Tourer · 21 Jun 2016, 12:06 (Ref:3654139)

Don't think that Courtney has caused a slump, he is after all simply an employee rather than having any control over the structure and operations of the team.

I'm not convinced about the "figurehead" idea - look at PRA as an example, there is Mr Edwards but the owners are heavily involved too - which one out of that group is the "figurehead"?

I'd suggest that it's probably more about COTF, getting to grips with it and the tightened up regs on engine weights etc - I just don't think they've quite found their mojo - whether they ever will again remains to be seen.

Compromised · 21 Jun 2016, 19:32 (Ref:3654274)

When you are the "factory" team and regularly get beat by privateers from Albury, you know there is something really wrong - bigger budget. Arguably better drivers. Better facility. Easier to find good people who want to live in Melbourne... Holden can't be too happy

Tourer · 21 Jun 2016, 19:33 (Ref:3654275)

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Originally Posted by Kingair

The Eddie McGuire saga, has Holden's sponsorship of Collingwood being worth $3 million a year.

It's always a risk sponsoring football teams (of all codes) due to the occasional boofhead behaviour of players. With Collingwood the risk is much higher due to the club having a boofhead President who says and does embarrassing things on a reasonably regular basis.

Mixer · 21 Jun 2016, 23:46 (Ref:3654330)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

It's always a risk sponsoring football teams (of all codes) due to the occasional boofhead behaviour of players. With Collingwood the risk is much higher due to the club having a boofhead President who says and does embarrassing things on a reasonably regular basis.

I lived in NSW for 8 months of last year.... It isn't occasional

Umai Naa · 21 Jun 2016, 23:47 (Ref:3654331)

Just don't think for a minute that if Holden withdraws its sponsorship from Collingwood, that it'll be funnelled into motorsport instead.

Holden's motorsport budget is only a very small portion of their total marketing budget these days.

Sandgroper · 22 Jun 2016, 00:29 (Ref:3654334)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

One thing needs to change, been saying it for years

They have no genuine motor racing figurehead at the top

The Figurehead (other than RW ) I thought was Garth but now it seems James has taken that mantle. I find him more likable than GT who comes across as a bit of a whiner and having the same success as the likes of Skaife & Murph in their elder years.

However in this instance I don't think the car has the goods,

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