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Old 2 Nov 2016, 14:58 (Ref:3684775)   #101
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Chilton only have half the budget for 2017. He is waiting for sponsors.
If he can't find it all he could go back to his RML Cruze or to Blancpain GT
Why doesn't he just sell the Cruze to generate the rest of his budget ?
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Old 2 Nov 2016, 15:09 (Ref:3684779)   #102
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Why doesn't he just sell the Cruze to generate the rest of his budget ?
Who would want to buy it? They aren't that competitive any more.
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Old 2 Nov 2016, 17:45 (Ref:3684807)   #103
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Who would want to buy it? They aren't that competitive any more.
It would be the cheapest way to enter WTCC.....
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 09:19 (Ref:3684969)   #104
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Then we agree on that one You see it in GT3 as well with teams like AF Corse Ferrari and WRT Audi. And also in TCR actually, with WestCoast Honda and WRT Volkswagen.



Perhaps not to the general fans, but for the manufacturers I do think a WTCC platform is necessary. They need a platform to display their products worldwide.
As a fan, I would definitely prefer a world finale to a full series. TCR and Class 1 on the same weekend at Spa or another circuit that is not a Tilkedrome.

Reasonably cheap and I think it would get plenty of exposure.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 11:04 (Ref:3684982)   #105
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and another one gone
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...-of-this-year/

only two manufacturers left for 2017, doesn't really look good for the future ...
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 11:06 (Ref:3684983)   #106
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Wow, didn't expect that.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 11:30 (Ref:3684993)   #107
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Lada will not take part to the new DTM series so it's normal they quit. I hope they go for TCR.

Wtcc it's finished
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 11:38 (Ref:3684996)   #108
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and another one gone
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2016/...-of-this-year/

only two manufacturers left for 2017, doesn't really look good for the future ...
Now the move to Class One seems more logical. This probably means the end of TC1 in one-two years.

Lada is not leaving because WTCC may adopt Class One. WTCC may adopt Class One because manufacturers are leaving and probably there is a need of a complete overhaul. Still though I'm afraid about quality of racing in this case..

TCR is a great platform for customer racing, but don't expect any manufacturer teams because of BoP - why should you put any resourses into the car if it will be balanced by regulations. I think it won't work in a global championship.

Again, it's not the first time I say it - regional championships (TCR Europe, Asia etc.) and a global event a.k.a. Macau as a final for the best competitors around the world for TCR would be fantastic.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 11:51 (Ref:3685000)   #109
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Now the move to Class One seems more logical. This probably means the end of TC1 in one-two years.

Lada is not leaving because WTCC may adopt Class One. WTCC may adopt Class One because manufacturers are leaving and probably there is a need of a complete overhaul. Still though I'm afraid about quality of racing in this case..
And if manufacturers are leaving, why Volvo has just joined the championship? Something is not clear...
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 12:25 (Ref:3685005)   #110
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If Lada are indeed leaving I don't see how they can put together something even resembling a credible field for next year...
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 12:41 (Ref:3685009)   #111
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Lada will not take part to the new DTM series so it's normal they quit. I hope they go for TCR.

Wtcc it's finished
I agree, very sad, the championship had build up to something half decent, but it has all started to come undone with e recent changes and announcements.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 13:04 (Ref:3685014)   #112
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I think the main problem is the management of the WTCC and their lack of competence.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 13:08 (Ref:3685017)   #113
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If Lada are indeed leaving I don't see how they can put together something even resembling a credible field for next year...
As I calculete we could have 10-12 regular competitor next year.

3 (or 2) factory Honda
3 (or 2) factory Volvo
1 to 5 SLR Citroen (Bennani almost sure, Chilton maybe)
0 to 3 RML Cruze (Coronel is the most possible, maybe Chilton and maybe an All-Inkl car)
0 to 2 private Honda (if Zengő find sponsors after this seasons performance)

So 10-12 cars.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 13:57 (Ref:3685025)   #114
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As I calculete we could have 10-12 regular competitor next year.

3 (or 2) factory Honda
3 (or 2) factory Volvo
1 to 5 SLR Citroen (Bennani almost sure, Chilton maybe)
0 to 3 RML Cruze (Coronel is the most possible, maybe Chilton and maybe an All-Inkl car)
0 to 2 private Honda (if Zengő find sponsors after this seasons performance)

So 10-12 cars.
Yes i think 12, 13 cars is the best we could see...the 2017 season is in a very tricky position, maybe they can add the TCR cars in a 2° class.

What will be the future of Etcc from 2018?
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 14:03 (Ref:3685026)   #115
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Yes i think 12, 13 cars is the best we could see...the 2017 season is in a very tricky position, maybe they can add the TCR cars in a 2° class.

What will be the future of Etcc from 2018?
Still better move than WTCC with Class One, but what kind of cars will use?
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 14:25 (Ref:3685029)   #116
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http://www.serbiaring.com/vesti/lada...specifikacije/
Here insider say that they will make Vesta TCR to try to cover the costs of TC1 cars.
Lada Sport Rosneft will switch to Russian Circuit Championship with both TCR and S2000 Vesta.
Also where would be Valente, Tarquini and Catsburg will end?
I think that Volvo will get Catsburg or he will concentrate on GT racing
Valente said that if he didn't drive for Lada he would drive in TCR
And Tarquini? BTCC? TCR? WTCC?
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 14:26 (Ref:3685031)   #117
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Also here is on Valente
Valente, who was thrown a last-minute lifeline to remain in the WTCC by Lada this year following Rob Huff’s departure, could be forced to look back at the TCR International Series, where he was set to drive for Craft-Bamboo Racing.

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Old 3 Nov 2016, 15:00 (Ref:3685041)   #118
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I'm really worried now that the 2017 WTCC won't happen. Might Lada sell the cars to a private team?
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 15:00 (Ref:3685042)   #119
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My Tipps for 2018:

fusion with DTM (Class One, an ITC like world series)
fusion with TCR International.


I doubt that the WTCC alone can be succesfull with Class One rules. Volvo don't have a Class One Car, only Honda, and I doubt that VW gropp, Mercedes, BMW, Toyota, Nissan/Renault grup want to enter/lease cars for the new championsip.


They may continue TC1 rules in the next 2-3 season, but it requires way more support for privateers by the series owner. There are still 5 SLR Citroen, 5-6 Civic, 5-6 RML Cruze and at least 3 Volvo. But it works only if the organizer racionalize the costs and increase the attention (with better race traks, more races, etc.) and give a lot of money for the private teams.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 15:10 (Ref:3685048)   #120
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And if manufacturers are leaving, why Volvo has just joined the championship? Something is not clear...
Volvo is just odd when it comes to racing. Recent STCC and VASC discussions could be examples. I think in this case they are the odd-ones-out.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 16:08 (Ref:3685066)   #121
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things are starting to get ugly for the WTCC. I'm really missing the old TC2T days right now. TC1 looks like a big failure.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 19:07 (Ref:3685103)   #122
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I think wtcc is almost dead! Ribeiro succeeded to destroy what lotti created with big efforts. The Costa for the car are too high and most of all previous indipendent team switched to tcr. I honestly wonder the sense of going on if there would be just 12 or 13 cars and even adding etcc in the race I guess we would see the lowest quality ever seen until wtcc exist. The 2017 at the moment appear much more dark then 2011 when it entered the 1.6 turbo and there was just chevrolet as official manufacturer.
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 19:35 (Ref:3685106)   #123
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I'm really worried now that the 2017 WTCC won't happen. Might Lada sell the cars to a private team?
I think it will end like for the Granta TC1. For Tarquini, now maybe the time to retire is arrived: he has always competed in WTCC with official team and now to race in TCR or WTCC he needs some sponsors, he's more than 50 now; really difficult for him to continue his career.

The problem is that we have only 6 car that can compete surely: 3 Volvo (i hope) and 3 Honda. The other are all privateers but with the cost of the TC1 car, high budget is required for them to race. That's a big problem, even driver like Chilton are struggling...

Now i want to see what Ribeiro wants to do...maybe he can pay drivers to race in his championship...
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Old 3 Nov 2016, 19:49 (Ref:3685108)   #124
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let the WTCC become a series for Class One cars and open ETCC for the TC1 cars.
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Just retire the TC1 cars.
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