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All we know for sure is
1Volvo had a 3 year contract with GRM that expires at the end of 2016 2Volvo wants back whatever parts of the Volvo GRM equipment it owns. 3A manufacturer has to by regulation give approval for it's cars to compete in Supercars and Volvo has withdrawn that approval. Unless there is a no disadvantage for GRM clause in the contract (and there wouldn't be)I cannot see where this case would even begin.The comments about needing time to find another manufacturer are a joke.Nearly every team and Supercars themselves have been beating the bushes to find another Gen 2 manufacturer for the last few years with no response. |
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It would be an interesting argument, given that GRM currently run VF Commodore CotFs in the Dunlop series.... |
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There is an assumption that has been made that because approval had be given at the start that it had to remain to continue. There is no evidence that this is true, just an assumption by some. Take away that assumption and GRM can run Volvos next year if they have a car and an engine |
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I think Garry is just 'sending a legal letter'.
He says Volvo have been silent...but with a legal threat they have to respond. Then at least they can make a move in one of many directions. Without knowing all the facts, I can't see a small race team owner having the financial muscle to beat Volvo in an ongoing legal matter. |
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Maybe there is a minimum notice period that Volvo had to give GRM that was greater then the 7 months given, that is about the only thing I can think of that would stand up in court. Can't see this ending well for either GRM or the sport though. But ultimately we are just a bunch of bush lawyers, until contracts are tabled in court, everything is just chat. |
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GRM may think they have something legally actionable, but my experience with contracts and multinationals is that they tend to be pretty one sided. |
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He was happy to take the benefits of a manufacturer deal, seems less happy/accepting with the reality of how these end.
Often, it's suddenly, with little reasons given. And usually for good reason - the manufacturer deliberately outsources such operations because it is easy entry, and easy exit... |
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The issue is with keeping the vehicles for next year |
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Well they are as Volvo allegedly want them back, and in opposition various parties claim they own, or have been alluded in the media to own, the IP, ie GRM, VASC etc, with the panels being the only thing Volvo can claim back. The chassis is still the CoTF chassis with pickup points to suit the Volvo panels
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However, it all depends on the terms in the contract, which both parties seem to think are in their favour. We shall see. Allegedly. |
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GRM has revealed it is basing its case on deceptive conduct, with Volvo allegedly having decided not to renew back in 2014. It may well have, the person at Volvo Oz who signed off on it left fairly soon after it kicked off (and IIRC ended up on V8SC's payroll) so maybe there were issues between Volvo Oz and hq back then. Volvo may have been less than transparent with its intentions, or even down right dishonest, but unless there is a signed contract or a letter of intent, can't see how this will fly. http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/10/05/...w-marque-2018/
Being in court counsel will be able to cross examine, so Volvo may be able to force GRM to name who they are negotiating with as a future partner, unless the judge disallows it. On a lighter note, anybody find it strange than a guy as creative and charismatic as Garry Rogers, would name a son Barry? Nothing against the name per se, but Barry and Garry, is there a Harry? |
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Interesting take outs from the Speedcafe article.
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Erebus are a prime example of how easily it is to continue with new cars in a short period of time. |
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So.. if it is proven, that the contract were allowed to lapse without communication about not renewing when it was known, it could be considered something similar to deceptive conduct... Until its tested in court, or Volvo gets the cheque book out to shut down the review in public, it sits in the space of speculation.. The clever bods in agreement construction sometimes put together an annual review process where each party affirms its commitment to one another for the following season, and the life of the contract, as part of the review process. Then issues like Volvo is suggested to have done, cannot happen... |
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I like especially how by knowing just one detail of the contract (the end date) you have full understanding of the contract and all the exit clauses and can so quickly come to a decision on who is right and who is wrong. Foolish I like also how you give the example of a front running team and its sponsors just flipping over and running old cars at the back like Erebus has prepared to do do. Even though Erebus had to get another person to buy a car and mega wealthy Betty has dug into her own funds to run it. That is amazing! Gifted writing Last edited by peckstar; 5 Oct 2016 at 03:01. |
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Most likely? Or does.... |
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GRM can't win this - they are just buying time.
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The point re Erebus is valid, ie logistically it can be done, but if GRM are sweating on winning this action which may not be resolved until next year, then that would be a bit of a push. |
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I'm wondering if he really wants to run Volvo's next year, or if he's looking for a cash settlement? Sent from my GT-I9507 using Tapatalk |
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It may mean that some Swedes may need to fly out here for the mediation. A mediator is there to get the parties talking but can't make rulings or give directions on outcome, only the court can do that. |
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