WEC New Perrin LMP1 ! - Page 9

TF110 · 15 Jul 2014, 04:21 (Ref:3434003)

A couple pics from twitter

TzeiTzei · 15 Jul 2014, 08:50 (Ref:3434046)

I doubt it will pass the crash test.

fdv99 · 15 Jul 2014, 12:02 (Ref:3434082)

If anyone here has a team for this 'race' they are doing, I am a member and am not on a team yet. I'm in the US but I don't think that matters. Just let me know.

**joeb** · 15 Jul 2014, 12:51 (Ref:3434105)

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Originally Posted by TzeiTzei

I doubt it will pass the crash test.

And I thought this was going to be a coupe!

carbon_titanium · 15 Jul 2014, 13:00 (Ref:3434108)

even in this WIP shape is faster and more reliable than amr-one

Articus · 12 Aug 2014, 22:05 (Ref:3443813)

Show car was recently finished.

Canada ALMS fan · 12 Aug 2014, 22:16 (Ref:3443816)

I honestly never thought this would get past the design phase. It's hard not to admire privateers going after the top class. I wonder if he truly intends to go it alone or if this is all a fishing expedition hoping to lure in one of the rumoured marques looking at LMP1? It's one thing to get funds to build a car but sponsorship will be needed to race. If the car is going LMP1-L racing surely they would have to go the AER engine route?
Come on Mr. Nicolet, we'd like to see you next.

Articus · 12 Aug 2014, 22:24 (Ref:3443819)

It seems like the idea is to woo a big sponsor with the whole open-source LMP1 concept. It's a unique way to interact with fans/customers.
This work is incredibly admirable.

Deleted · 13 Aug 2014, 07:41 (Ref:3443886)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

If the car is going LMP1-L racing surely they would have to go the AER engine route?

They've said LMP1-H and it even says HY on the side of that show car so surely the intention, if it ever materializes, is not for L subclass... they have the option to choose unlike the factories for some reason

Simmi · 13 Aug 2014, 08:37 (Ref:3443901)

Got my fingers crossed for these guys. It just seems so ambitious given the foundations it's all built on.

Articus · 13 Aug 2014, 13:33 (Ref:3443956)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

They've said LMP1-H and it even says HY on the side of that show car so surely the intention, if it ever materializes, is not for L subclass... they have the option to choose unlike the factories for some reason

Good catch. It really does look like they are trying to woo a manufacturer.

Deleted · 14 Aug 2014, 06:40 (Ref:3444140)

Yeah good luck to them

Of course if they do end up in H, they will not be able to enjoy the generous BoP aids given to privateers in L

TF110 · 14 Aug 2014, 06:55 (Ref:3444143)

Before they go hybrid, they have to enter. Great ambition and hope someone contacts them for interest in running the cars.

Mr Pink · 14 Aug 2014, 10:24 (Ref:3444196)

Might very well have misunderstood but I thought their plan was to run the car(s) themselves?

In any case, I really hope they make it! I really like this project.

knighty · 14 Aug 2014, 17:39 (Ref:3444281)

Seeking a generous BOP for a privateer has been proven as "fools gold" by rebellion at lemans this year. The perrin car looks the part and he will hopefully realise the trap that rebellion fell into and not repeat such a stupid move.......I even said rebellions engine was pants before the LM race and look what happened. If perrin have any sense they will go to zytek or AER and keep their hybrid options open with both, as flybrid could also work with AER and bring torotracks funding to the party in order to advertise the benefits of their recent investment in flybrid.

TF110 · 14 Aug 2014, 19:59 (Ref:3444329)

That was only Rebellions second race, dont think they were going all out at LM.

AndyN · 18 Aug 2014, 11:49 (Ref:3444988)

The data on the Perrinn website is now freely available to all:-

www.perrinn.com/server

Should raise a few talking points...

MyNameIsNigel · 18 Aug 2014, 13:49 (Ref:3445016)

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Originally Posted by AndyN

The data on the Perrinn website is now freely available to all:-

www.perrinn.com/server

Should raise a few talking points...

Interesting info

knighty · 19 Aug 2014, 21:10 (Ref:3445533)

Can someone answer a few simple questions for me:

1) how much money, the minimum amount, is mr perrin seeking in order to put a single LMP1 car on the WEC grid?
2) whats the whole lead time for manufacture, crash test, homologation and shakedown of the whole car?

Surely mr perrin will have approached someone like martin short, this sort of project would be right up RollCentres street, they could easily handle the fabrication + machining work, I think they dabble in light composite work so would only need to sub out the tub lay-up and major body panels and crash sled testing......hopefully some sort of DSC feature will hook them up with a financier as its already nearly too late for lemans 2015......

MyNameIsNigel · 20 Aug 2014, 11:16 (Ref:3445655)

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Originally Posted by knighty

Can someone answer a few simple questions for me:

1) how much money, the minimum amount, is mr perrin seeking in order to put a single LMP1 car on the WEC grid?

There are budget figures amongst the data made accessible on Perrinn's server (../Racing/Cost/Perrinn WEC budget.xlsx):

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To race with 2 factory LMP1 cars (4WD hybrid) in WEC
Testing year
RnD / design - 2011/2012/2013: £500'000
company running cost: £400'000
chassis #1 build: £1'000'000
KERS #1: £250'000
homologation - validation - wind tunnel / track test - engine cost: £300'000
TOTAL: £2'450'000

Racing year
company running cost: £750'000
chassis #2 build: £1'000'000
KERS #2: £150'000
race equipment: £500'000
spares build: £1'000'000
WEC engine racing cost for 2 cars: £1'250'000
WEC tire racing cost for 2 cars: £350'000
7 WEC races cost for 2 cars: £500'000
Le Mans 24H racing cost for 2 cars: £350'000
TOTAL: £5'850'000

That should answer the first question.

Deleted · 20 Aug 2014, 11:25 (Ref:3445658)

Testing + racing = 8 300 000 £? That still sounds (relatively) rather too cheap, I seem to remember poor AMR's alleged budget being larger than that in the pre-WEC days.

MyNameIsNigel · 20 Aug 2014, 11:34 (Ref:3445660)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Testing + racing = 8 300 000 £? That still sounds (relatively) rather too cheap, I seem to remember poor AMR's alleged budget being larger than that in the pre-WEC days.

That appears to be very "cheap" indeed for a full-season two-car effort...

Deleted · 20 Aug 2014, 12:05 (Ref:3445672)

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsNigel

That appears to be very "cheap" indeed for a full-season two-car effort...

Not sure if serious or sarcastic

But yes, relatively cheap... for two "factory" hybrids

Surely Rebellion must already be near that league

MyNameIsNigel · 20 Aug 2014, 12:55 (Ref:3445691)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Not sure if serious or sarcastic

A bit of both

TF110 · 20 Aug 2014, 20:05 (Ref:3445805)

£8.7million is around $13.8million. So thats not really too far off. Im guessing this is bottom line, minimum. $15million per season is cheap for something like Indycar for comparison.

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