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Old 13 Nov 2007, 14:26 (Ref:2066598)   #51
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if my facts are not quite facts feel free to correct me,did hugus drive during the race?
This is the controversy. Hugus was nominated reserve and therefore entitled to drive. However, if he did so, then one of the "other" drivers was not allowed to return to the car.

Story is that around 4am Masten Gregory had had it, he was exhausted and couldn't go another lap, so pulled in for Rindt to take over, but Rindt was AWOL (he wasn't due out for a couple of hours). So Hugus got in to finish Gregory's stint.

Now, if this happened and the ACO had noticed it, Gregory wouldn't have been allowed back in the car...but after he recovered he was.

There are no sources for this other than Hugus himself, although he was apparently not the type to boast about this sort of thing (and he only told a select few), and Chinetti who arranged it all. The ACO never noticed and the journos probably were all asleep or brahms or something. There's no film AFAIK and it was all in the wee small hours.

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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:04 (Ref:2066789)   #52
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That's one that springs to mind alright. I just had visions of some 1970s journeymen swapping teams a lot more frequently, but maybe that wasn't the case. More than half the people in the championship back then would show up for races here and there but never do a complete season.
Can I make a plea that people research their questions and ask them clearly. Messing around with half-baked answers like this is a waste of everybody's time.

By any measure that answer is wrong. In 1958 Maurice Trintignant drove a Cooper-Climax for Rob Walker then a Maserati for Scuderia Centro-Sud, then a works BRM and then a Walker Cooper-Climax again. One more change, two more teams and two more cars than the answer given.

Does this make me an anorak or simply a pedant ? ( but not a Norris McWhirter as I looked it up).
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:19 (Ref:2066806)   #53
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I am crap at thinking up questions like this but...

Who was the first person to drive a Jordan F1 car?
betrand gachot?
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:29 (Ref:2066813)   #54
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No, was John Watson, correctly answered by Graz on page 3.
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:31 (Ref:2066815)   #55
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i thought he was talking about another question!!!
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:31 (Ref:2066816)   #56
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Can I make a plea that people research their questions and ask them clearly. Messing around with half-baked answers like this is a waste of everybody's time.

By any measure that answer is wrong. In 1958 Maurice Trintignant drove a Cooper-Climax for Rob Walker then a Maserati for Scuderia Centro-Sud, then a works BRM and then a Walker Cooper-Climax again. One more change, two more teams and two more cars than the answer given.

Does this make me an anorak or simply a pedant ? ( but not a Norris McWhirter as I looked it up).
Probably both, but neither are to be ashamed of.
Not while at home alone in front of the pc anyway. Just don't try it in my local!
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:33 (Ref:2066817)   #57
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Can I make a plea that people research their questions and ask them clearly. Messing around with half-baked answers like this is a waste of everybody's time.
I did say that I didn't know the answer to this question when I asked it... that was actually the reason for my asking it (!)

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In 1958 Maurice Trintignant drove a Cooper-Climax for Rob Walker then a Maserati for Scuderia Centro-Sud, then a works BRM and then a Walker Cooper-Climax again.
Thanks for researching this and thanks for the answer.
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:33 (Ref:2066818)   #58
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i thought he was talking about another question!!!
'fraid not.
Wattie conducted the first shakedown of the 191 at Silverstone.
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:39 (Ref:2066821)   #59
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'fraid not.
Wattie conducted the first shakedown of the 191 at Silverstone.
Here he is.

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Old 13 Nov 2007, 20:57 (Ref:2066842)   #60
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not being rude but wasn't he getting a bit old to drive formula 1 cars-he stopped in the 80's-yes i know people race when there older but was he expecting another f1 drive or just doing jordan a favour?
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 21:16 (Ref:2066868)   #61
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I think him and EJ were mates and he was doing a favour, also was good pr with Watson being from Northern Ireland. Kind of promoted the Irishness of the team.
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 21:16 (Ref:2066869)   #62
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not being rude but wasn't he getting a bit old to drive formula 1 cars-he stopped in the 80's-yes i know people race when there older but was he expecting another f1 drive or just doing jordan a favour?
It could have been to prove he could still do it? Publicity reasons? Doing a favour, as you suggested or it could be something to do with John Watson and Eddie Jordan both being Irish?
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 23:51 (Ref:2066964)   #63
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Ok, who was the last driver to race gp's in three different decades?
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Old 13 Nov 2007, 23:53 (Ref:2066966)   #64
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I have a tricky one for you guys.............
Name the four former BTCC Champions who competed in British F3000/F2?
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Old 14 Nov 2007, 00:05 (Ref:2066977)   #65
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I have a tricky one for you guys.............
Name the four former BTCC Champions who competed in British F3000/F2?
Alain Menu, Rickard Rydell, Yvan Muller and ...who else? Anthony Reid?
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Old 14 Nov 2007, 09:02 (Ref:2067131)   #66
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Was my answer correct?
Yes, sorry. debut 89 brazilian gp - last race 2000 Malaysian gp.
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Old 14 Nov 2007, 09:40 (Ref:2067150)   #67
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It could have been to prove he could still do it? Publicity reasons? Doing a favour, as you suggested or it could be something to do with John Watson and Eddie Jordan both being Irish?
It was primarily symbolic. Eddie Jordan wanted Ireland's most successful racing driver at that time to be the first person to test Eddie's first Grand Prix car, the Jordan 911 [as it was originally known before Porsche had something to say about it]. Wattie may have been out of the saddle a few years, but he was still capable of peddling a Grand Prix car quickly in the early 1990s - he was 44 at the time.
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Alain Menu, Rickard Rydell, Yvan Muller and ...who else? Anthony Reid?
3 out of 4 correct........
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3 out of 4 correct........
Aiello? I know he did F3000 in Italy but not sure about the UK?
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Did Nigel Smith win the BTCC Independents title one year ? AFAIK he raced in British F3000 at some point.
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Did Nigel Smith win the BTCC Independents title one year ? AFAIK he raced in British F3000 at some point.
Not Aiello.
Nigel Smith did indeed compete in British F3000, I'm looking for the 4 overall champions................Clue it was a one off race for him at Donington
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Chris Hodgetts also had a one off race in Thruxton in 1990... looks like there were 5 Former BTCC champions to compete in British F3000/F2
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Chris Hodgetts also had a one off race in Thruxton in 1990... looks like there were 5 Former BTCC champions to compete in British F3000/F2
Thats a new one I shall investigate my records......................
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