Driver Webber VS Vettel - Page 5

Jamesy-18 · 3 Mar 2009, 08:10 (Ref:2407856)

I think Vettel will do slightly better than Webber this year. Mark's a quick driver though.

Marbot · 3 Mar 2009, 08:45 (Ref:2407872)

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Originally Posted by Jamesy-18

Mark's a quick driver though.

Well he is over one lap.

D.R.T. · 3 Mar 2009, 08:52 (Ref:2407877)

I dont think its unexpected that Vettel will end the season with more points than Webber. He should aswell, time will tell how much Webber can rise to the level of Vettel.

However expecting Vettel to give Webber a pasting seems a bit strange, while Webber hasnt shown Vettel like results he hasnt been disappointing either using 08 as an example.

Lotusonpole · 3 Mar 2009, 08:55 (Ref:2407882)

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Originally Posted by Satorian

Since Lewis Hamilton arrived on the scene?

I was already convinced by Vettel in his 2006 Friday testing. Hamilton came in 2007.

My mistake.
Still you know what I mean.
After Lewis (he's already done it), I think Vettel is the most promising of all the young drivers and is the most likely to make it to the top.

Satorian · 3 Mar 2009, 13:34 (Ref:2408058)

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Originally Posted by Lotusonpole

My mistake.
Still you know what I mean.

Yup.

Hamilton got his break earlier, immediately equipped with a car fit to fight for the WDC. And Hamilton has proven himself beyond doubt already.

RF_Racer · 3 Mar 2009, 16:17 (Ref:2408213)

Hopefully Vettel will kill Marks F1 career! Lets face it he has been no where, one supar fast lap is not enough to warrent an F1 drive. In the races he is now where and suffers from the Trulli syndrome and falls asleep

Glen · 3 Mar 2009, 16:29 (Ref:2408218)

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Originally Posted by RF_Racer

Hopefully Vettel will kill Marks F1 career! Lets face it he has been no where, one supar fast lap is not enough to warrent an F1 drive. In the races he is now where and suffers from the Trulli syndrome and falls asleep

Hopefully! That's nice eh?

What a load of tosh.

Super Hans · 3 Mar 2009, 16:35 (Ref:2408220)

The only syndrome Webber shares with Trulli is the ability to qualify a car higher up the field than it deserves. Then when they fail to hold that position in the race, it looks as if they're going backwards. I'd never claim that Webber or Trulli were all-time-greats, but in race winning cars they'd win races.

Knowlesy · 3 Mar 2009, 17:03 (Ref:2408234)

How can a car be qualified higher up than it deserves though? Are these drivers performing super-human feats and making their cars go faster than they are physically capable? And if so, why have Ferrari/McLaren et al not cottoned onto this and given these guys a contract?

Super Hans · 3 Mar 2009, 17:13 (Ref:2408241)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

How can a car be qualified higher up than it deserves though? Are these drivers performing super-human feats and making their cars go faster than they are physically capable? And if so, why have Ferrari/McLaren et al not cottoned onto this and given these guys a contract?

I think Trulli and Webber could consistently qualify, say, the 5th best car on the grid, significantly higher than 9th or 10th.

rocketracer · 3 Mar 2009, 20:36 (Ref:2408384)

The term has less to do with the drivers / cars themselves as the guys they are competing against. EG: guys like trulli and webber (and alesi in a tyrrell, senna in a lotus) consistently extract "maximum" performance out of their cars over a quali lap. It's not that they are making the car go faster than it has the capacity to do, it's that the drivers they are competing against are either only par-performing or under performing in their significantly better cars, for lesser lap times.

Therefore when you compare a qualifying list of all the teams and drivers, guys like trulli and webber will consistently be amongst cars with greater performance, hence the saying "putting the car where it doesnt belong" "higher up the grid than it deserves" etc etc etc which seems to cause such unnecessary consternation...

sizzle · 4 Mar 2009, 12:11 (Ref:2408768)

Please bring on the season so we don't have to read this crap!
The question will be answered.

Super Hans · 4 Mar 2009, 12:43 (Ref:2408789)

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Originally Posted by sizzle

Please bring on the season so we don't have to read this crap!

You don't have to read it now.

Knowlesy · 4 Mar 2009, 18:35 (Ref:2409009)

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Originally Posted by rocketracer

The term has less to do with the drivers / cars themselves as the guys they are competing against. EG: guys like trulli and webber (and alesi in a tyrrell, senna in a lotus) consistently extract "maximum" performance out of their cars over a quali lap. It's not that they are making the car go faster than it has the capacity to do, it's that the drivers they are competing against are either only par-performing or under performing in their significantly better cars, for lesser lap times.

Therefore when you compare a qualifying list of all the teams and drivers, guys like trulli and webber will consistently be amongst cars with greater performance, hence the saying "putting the car where it doesnt belong" "higher up the grid than it deserves" etc etc etc which seems to cause such unnecessary consternation...

I see. Well in that case the phenomenon should simply be labelled "driving the car pretty much as quickly as it can go" rather than the sensationalist slant often put on it.

**Adam43** · 4 Mar 2009, 19:02 (Ref:2409037)

Well William-Hill think Vettel has more chance (12-1) than Webber (25-1) to win the first GP. See Glen's Australia odds thread.

Marbot · 4 Mar 2009, 19:30 (Ref:2409075)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Well William-Hill think Vettel has more chance (12-1) than Webber (25-1) to win the first GP. See Glen's Australia odds thread.

Webber doesn't have a leg to stand on.........

I'll get my coat.

Super Hans · 4 Mar 2009, 19:45 (Ref:2409085)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

I see. Well in that case the phenomenon should simply be labelled "driving the car pretty much as quickly as it can go" rather than the sensationalist slant often put on it.

Do you have to take everything so literally? Often people describe a well sorted car as being on rails, when it clearly isn't, or occasionally people will talk of someone driving the wheels off their car, when in fact, all four wheels remain securely fastened to the vehicle. They're just phrases.

Knowlesy · 4 Mar 2009, 19:46 (Ref:2409087)

Do you have to take everything so seriously?

Super Hans · 4 Mar 2009, 19:48 (Ref:2409091)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Do you have to take everything so seriously?

F1 is a serious business!

Marbot · 4 Mar 2009, 19:50 (Ref:2409092)

Sometimes drivers like Sato for example often did "drive the wheels off their car".Which is why he hasn't been picked to drive for anyone this season.

NB: The above statement is not to be taken seriously...at all...ever...OK.

**Bononi** · 4 Mar 2009, 23:08 (Ref:2409206)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

NB: The above statement is not to be taken seriously...at all...ever...OK.

I don't. Specially when they don't have links.

EBXR8 · 5 Mar 2009, 00:05 (Ref:2409232)

Webber has a talent, Vettel has a Gift, I have seen Mark but an underperforming car on ther front row fow a GP. Vettel can drive the wheels of almost any vehicle much the same as Hamilton. In a nutshel they both can drive and will both perform better than one another in different areas. Redbull may have a genuine shot at a constructors title if the reliability issues can be reslved.

Marbot · 5 Mar 2009, 00:29 (Ref:2409238)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

I don't. Specially when they don't have links.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73552

But rest assured that he won't be giving up.

rocketracer · 5 Mar 2009, 02:55 (Ref:2409274)

just read mark's interview on f1.com:

http://www.formula1.com/news/intervi...09/3/8979.html

not sure he's making all the right noises there with how he feels in the car. Or, it could possibly be he's flying low on the radar, ala bmw, but unfortunately i think it's the former.

Seb seems to have just eased his way into a comfort zone with the car immediately. Ominous signs....

JeremySmith · 5 Mar 2009, 03:00 (Ref:2409275)

This is what I really respect about Mark Webber apart form his driving talent..The truth, plain and simple...

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