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19 Nov 2005, 16:40 (Ref:1464966) | #76 | |
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Thanks, John. Looking forward to participating and enjoying.
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21 Nov 2005, 10:21 (Ref:1466311) | #77 | ||
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THe owner of FJ-13-62 has provided me with a number of documents from his almost 20 year relationship with the car. Some of the background came from discussions he had with Denny Hulme regarding the car. The story apparently was that it ran with Denny at the 1962 Brands Hatch Boxing Day meeting and was intended to be the prototype of the 1963 Brabham FJ. It was a modified 1962 chassis with altered front suspension mountings, wider track etc. It also was powered by a development Holbay Ford engine with a five bearing set up. It was subsequently sold to Roy James and then to Ray Thackwell (but consigned to Billy Housego for importation to NZ) after being advertised for sale in the 14 Feburary 1964 edition of Autosport. An interesting aside is that when it arrived in NZ, Customs required the car completely stripped including the chassis end tubes sawn off looking for hidden bank notes due to it's Roy James connection. It has a long documented history in NZ. The story (evidently) regarding only 11 BT 2s being made but this car being number 13 is that FJ-11-62 became a 1963 Intercontinental BT-4 (Bib Stillwell), FJ-12-62 was the eleventh BT-2 built and FJ-13-62 was the prototype for the BT-6. There was an article written in 1992 by Denis Lupton profiling FJ-13-62 of which I have a copy. A current photo of FJ-13-62 can been seen at: http://www.groundsky.co.nz/0509WEB/P...9/I09L1924.JPG
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The car now owned by Bob Goeldner is the ex-Mike Harrison car I was talking about earlier. It certainly seems to be a genuine car but we are trying to discover which one. We have traced it back to Jeremy Bouckley, and even a bit beyond, and the car we think it is (i.e. chassis 9) can be traced forward to Geddes Yeates, however the junction has not yet been made. Some other names have appeared thanks to Alan Putt, mostly people in the Monoposto Racing Club which used to run FJ in the UK, and who have owned this car (this was before Jeremy Bouckley) : they include J.Aspinwall (1969), Paul Hull, Andrew Hull and Peter Henry (the last three owning it together in the 70’s). Do these names ring any bells? |
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21 Nov 2005, 16:25 (Ref:1466614) | #79 | ||
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"Duncan says he has the following from works records of the 60’s:
MRD – chassis FJ/1 FJ-1-62 – to Briggs Cunningham FJ-2-62 – to J.Reid for John Youl Etc. as we have already" I've lost the plot - who and where does "J Reid for John Youl" fit in? Time for a new summary !! Richard |
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21 Nov 2005, 17:34 (Ref:1466663) | #80 | ||
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How about ?:
FJ-1-62 is a new number which goes to Briggs Cunningham ... Wayne Mitchell (to be confirmed) FJ-2-62 is the number previously attributed to Briggs Cunningham but now apparently should read J.Reid (John Youl being the driver - Gavin Youl's brother) – not traced now FJ-3-62 Gardner, McClelland … now in Australia FJ-4-62 Moench ... Simon Ham FJ-5-62 Schlesser (not traced now) FJ-6-62 Olthoff ... Marcus Mussa FJ-7-62 Howard S. Cole (Texas) (not traced now) FJ-8-62 Gardner ... Dave Zurlinden FJ-9-62 Ward .... Bob Goeldner (to be confirmed) FJ-10-62 DeVos, Sharp, Earl Jones (not traced now) FJ-11-62 not a BT2 FJ-12-62 Mildren FJ-13-62 or FJ-1-63 Roy James ... now in NZ |
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21 Nov 2005, 19:19 (Ref:1466736) | #81 | |
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Happen to know that FJ-3-62's present owner is Graham Browne, yes, in Australia, after Nick McDonald (also Aussie) did beautiful, correct restoration.
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21 Nov 2005, 19:42 (Ref:1466758) | #82 | ||
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On Marcus's list:
John Youl never raced a BT2 (or any other Brabham that I can recall) But Gavin Youl did And I still suspect the NZ BT2 is something other than #13.... |
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23 Nov 2005, 22:35 (Ref:1468869) | #83 | ||
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A guy named Tom Claridge out of the SanFrancisco area raced a Brabham FJ that I recall as a BT2. How does that fit in the scheme of things?
I can't believe I just read this entire thread! I really must get a life |
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29 Nov 2005, 21:24 (Ref:1473354) | #84 | ||
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Re: Tom Claridge in a Brabham
Just spoke to Tom Claridge re his ownership of a car. He stated he has never owned a Brabham and may have driven one about 15-20 years ago owned by Dick James of California. I know Dick and believe his car was a later car. I will report after contacting him. There is a rumor of another BT2 or parts in Calif which I am following up and will report as it unravels. wtmitchell@att.net
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30 Nov 2005, 02:16 (Ref:1473557) | #85 | ||
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My memory is usually not that bad!
It would have been 15 years ago--at the last race at Westwood. I will find the programme and check. |
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30 Nov 2005, 06:05 (Ref:1473618) | #86 | ||
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Dick James had a BT6 about 20 years ago, FJ-21-63, later owned by Bob Baker and more recently still by Reg Howell
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4 Feb 2006, 17:05 (Ref:1515534) | #87 | ||
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Not sure where to mention this so I'll say it here. Victory Lane (May 1991) says Ivan Scotti has "BT6-63-11" at SVRA Moroso Park 8-10 March 1991 and that it "raced in Italy in 1964 as a F2 with a Fiat-Giannini engine". Also that it was later sold to Bandini but stayed in Italy until bought by Scotti.
Hope that helps someone one day. Allen |
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4 Feb 2006, 20:50 (Ref:1515618) | #88 | ||
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A BT6 numbered FJ-11-63 raced in F2 in Italy with a Fiat-Giannini engine in 1964 and 1965
What relationship it bears to Scotti's BT6-63-11 (previously FJ63.11) I do not know |
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4 Feb 2006, 22:19 (Ref:1515664) | #89 | ||
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Another can of worms opens...
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4 Feb 2006, 22:39 (Ref:1515677) | #90 | ||
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Allen/David , I am wondering out loud if the 63-11 is the frame number not the chassis plate number.
Regards Bryan. |
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5 Feb 2006, 09:01 (Ref:1515821) | #91 | ||
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Whatever it was, it's on the chassis plate now!
(Thread locked. See here:- http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80971 - JT) Last edited by John Turner; 25 Mar 2006 at 12:50. |
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